Twitter Just Permanently Suspended Milo Yiannopoulos • Page 5

Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by Melody Bot, Jul 19, 2016.

  1. Kizwiz

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    That still doesn't make it remotely acceptable? In 2016, that is racism, even by this sociology practice. Plus, who's to say all the attacks are based on such reasonings? Hatred breeds hatred. They can simply hate white people too.

    But that isn't the definition of racism. That's 'institutional racism'. People are trying to change it to capitalise on 'White Guilt' and give them a scapegoat to be openly racist/prejudice against Whites.
     
  2. DarkHotline

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    Is this real life? White people throughout history has destroyed non-white people and cultures, enslaved them, treated them lesser than people and you want to sit over there an act like a victim being downtrodden by society? Get bent, you chav.
     
  3. St. Nate

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    No no no.. no no no no no ....... no. As a POC I don't want to capitalize on white guilt. I couldn't give a fuck about white guilt. What in the fuck is white guilt going to do for me?

    No... no no no.... no. Fuck white guilt. I want actual understanding of racism and actual change.

    Fuckin white guilt...
     
  4. Kizwiz

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    What race hasn't enslaved others or treated them as lesser people? Even Whites experienced the Barbary Slave Trade and colonisation.

    "Get bent". It's a civil debate with no need for ad-hominems. No one is denying 'White people" haven't done bad in history. Grow up.
     
  5. Kizwiz

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    Racism is still separate from institutional racism. Sociologists trying to change the definition is to predominantly silence any text-book "racism" Whites do experience, and dismiss it as some prejudice because it's on a lesser scale in the grand scheme of things. But individually that doesn't benefit. Nonetheless, yes, there's obviously no doubt POC have it worse in North America - especially Native Americans.
     
  6. Malatesta

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    I didn't say it was acceptable. Just that it's responsive, and that makes it different from white on black racism, which was bred through years of aggressive confrontation and invasive oppression.
     
  7. Malatesta

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    Sociologists literally define racism as its a sociological concept so I think if anyone is qualified to, it would be them
     
  8. DarkHotline

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    How rich it is that a citizen from one of the worst of all countries that plundered the world acts like its no big deal that it happened and then tries to shift blame. Here, let me explain something to you, chav. You will never suffer what POC go through in their entire lives, ever. You can pull whatever anecdotes or fabricated statistics you desire to justify your world view, you are delusional with a self-given persecution complex. You know, I actually pity you. How sad it must to be to act like the victim when you've never been one to begin with it.
     
  9. Malatesta

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    Yes, economic slavery did occur, and that's caused the deepening of class conflict and poverty cycles. But this is different from what white people did, which was literally take Africans from their homes and then also treat them like shit on account of their skin color. Irish people were mistreated by the British, but they were given rights when they immigrated. It just is not comparable.
     
  10. Kizwiz

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    Good. Because it isn't acceptable. Would responsive actions be excusable for attacking Germany for the World Wars? Especially for the Jews?
     
  11. Kizwiz

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    Except it's still a relatively new theory and not backed by all sociologists. The definition still hasn't changed.
     
  12. Malatesta

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    It would depend on whom you asked and how they think violent conflict can be resolved.
     
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  13. Kizwiz Jul 21, 2016
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    Kizwiz

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    You know absolutely NOTHING about me so to say things such as: "How sad it must be to act like the victim when you've never been one to begin with it."
    is honestly offensive when I've experienced ableist comments, amongst other others. Yes, I acknowledge white privilege in Britain and when did I ever dismiss POC racism? Me saying "whites can experience text-book racism too" is not saying "whites have it worse". I even said in a previous comment that POC institutional racism is obviously prevalent, especially in the West, but don't make nonsensical comments judging me, when you again, know nothing about my experiences.

    You are straight up attacking me for a different view - a "toxic bully", as you put it. I nonetheless respect the other views in any disagreement, whilst you're being completely condescending with your "pity" and doing nothing but creating a hostile environment when we're debating civilly. So seriously grow up with your pathetic ad-hominems (or at least come up with better ones "chav"...lol).
     
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  14. Malatesta

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    This gets into very vague territory. The way I look at it as someone who like academically studies sociology, racism against white people is mostly a diversion simply because of the difference in scale and state approval. It isnt necessarily "moral," but it also just isn't comparable, nor does it really offer solutions for the biggest/staunchest barrier I think poc face today, which is institutional racism.
     
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  15. Malatesta

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    My point being, to criticize Leslie for saying racist things - whether that's "racism" or not anyway - detracts from the main issue and problem, which is that she was targeted, dogpiled, and abused by a mob of racist trolls, and Milo, who should know better and should be held to higher standards, fueled it with fame images and attention, and deservedly was banned for it.
     
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  16. Kizwiz

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    But the scale still surely depends on the region though, doesn't it? Some places differ with ethnic minority popularity surpluses. Even the legal powers won't have much affect on your daily life.

    But anyway, I'll leave it there as clearly people are getting upset and I don't appreciate their attacks. Wasn't try to start up anything other than express an alternative viewpoint and I respect your views. Thanks:)
     
  17. AutopilotYears

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    The entire reason I brought it up in the first place is because Leslie is guilty of trying to do some of the same things. She was trying to get her followers to attack someone which is exactly what we're talking about and one of the main reasons Milo was banned.

    In the context its completely acceptable to judge Leslie on that action and it is absolutely not taking away from the "main issue" It is one of two main issues here.
     
  18. Malatesta

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    It does. We typically speak about Europe and the US because that's where most of us currently live, and those are also the most power and influential blocs when it comes to establishing racist policies and climates.
     
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  19. Jason Tate Jul 21, 2016
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    No, the reason Milo was banned was because of how he's done this, his history of how often he's done it, and what's happened when he has done it. They're not comparable by any reasonable means.
     
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  20. Malatesta

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    Yes, but Leslie did not post falsified tweets that made Milo appear homophobic (which he is). She does not have a history of doing this. She did not initiate this by posting a tasteless "review" of Ghostbusters. To equate these actions is disingenuous.
     
  21. AutopilotYears

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    Just because she wasn't as successful in doing it doesn't change her intention. Also Jason, giving me a warning just because I don't agree with your opinion doesn't mean I'm a dick.

    This thread is the first remotely controversial thing I've ever said on here.

    If you want to try and moderate people's opinions at least be open about it.
     
  22. St. Nate

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    You think sociologists are trying to silence white people... why? Where? How do you come to that conclusion?
     
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  23. No one was banned from Twitter for intention.

    I don't want to moderate anyone's "opinion." But I will moderate racist comments and those "playing devils advocate" by parroting very stupid arguments over and over again. I am very open about that, please read our code of conduct, it's very clear.
     
  24. Malatesta

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    Again, it's because he's done this many times before. He's literally self described as a provocateur. And he's toxic, unprofessional, unproductive as a "journalist," and long past due to be booted off whatever media he's using to make life intolerable for minorities, queer people, and women.
     
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  25. AutopilotYears

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    I know, and I have said that I think he's a piece of shit, but a big part of this whole argument is how people on Twitter are using their followers as a weapon. That's a shitty thing to do, regardless of who does it or what "side" of things they are on, but pretending he is the only one guilty of it doesn't help anything.