Spider-Man: Far From Home (Jon Watts, July 2, 2019) Movie • Page 38

yeah we're talking about a 16-year-old kid, emotionally shattered after the death of a mentor/father figure who clearly feels he can't handle the responsibility/isn't good enough for the tech he's been given and is looking for a way to remove that responsibility in a way that also honours his mentor's name. so he gives it to the one adult who's shown trust and affection for him (other than May) who is also to his knowledge a superhero and incredibly powerful fighter. the script does all the work necessary to make you understand why Peter would make that decision.

 

He could have put the glasses in his desk drawer until he felt ready. The impetus to hand them off is, on a practical level, nonsense.

 

Remember in Civil War when Tony Stark was adamant that superheroes be held to third party regulation because their unlimited power was harmful to civilians? He gave a 16 year old kid glasses that can infiltrate and use other people's phones without leaving a trace.

 

People always make exceptions for the ones they love.

 

I understand this argument but I kind of love that Peter has to clean up after his mentors mistakes with most of the villains that he fights.

 

And people they have fought on other planets with

 

People making Ant-Man comparisons actually make me more excited to see this. Those movies are a delight and are hilarious. Still some of my favorite MCU films.

 

lol yeah what thrilling dramatic action that would be - leave the incredibly powerful glasses in Peter's drawer for the whole film. this is a crazy argument I'm about to make but sometimes superhero movies decide to take the route that will be... actually exciting

 

You know writers can do anything, right? They chose to invent Edith, maybe the second most powerful tool of violence to the Infinity Stones and an omnipresent surveillance device. It didn’t have to exist. They could have written a conflict grounded in character and theme that flowed from the stories of Peter and Tony. Instead they wrote a stinky fake elementals story tangentially connected to Peter and relied on Jake Gyllenhaal being good enough of an actor that we forgive the mortally stupid decision to hand over Edith to his character.

You can write something exciting and good. These writers didn’t.

 

Imagine for a second that we didn't know going in Mysterio was almost certainly gonna be the bad guy and we only know what Peter knows. He's handed a weapon that he feels he isn't prepared to handle with the message "For the next Tony Stark". Then he teams up with this powerful guy who has the full endorsement of Nick Fury/SHIELD who embodies a lot of the best parts of Tony Stark in Peter's eyes (namely his willingness to sacrifice himself for the greater good). Is it really that big of a leap for Peter to assume Beck should be the one to take up the mantle of "the next Tony Stark"? I really don't think it is. If you have an issue with Edith even existing, yeah sure. That's one thing. But Peter giving it to someone who he feels is worthy of it is because he has been given multiple reasons to and literally 0 reasons not to is not a "mortally stupid decision" IMO

 

You guys are bothered that he bothered to tag something though. I’m saying that is stupid


Edit: Not deeper than that, I just don’t see the point in calling someone out just for tagging something

 

The issue is all the questions Edith raises about a supposedly sacrificial and grown Tony Stark who apparently learned none of the lessons that have been part of his arc since Iron Man 1, stuff that was present in Age of Ultron and Civil War, multiple times he had to grapple with "In my attempt to make the world better, my technology became dangerous and weaponized and I have to account for that responsibility"

So we're supposed to believe that a man who went through the events of Iron Man, Avengers, Age of Ultron, Civil War, and Infinity War/Endgame has also created a pair of sunglasses capable of assassinating anyone on earth with no oversight, capable of hacking into any private citizen's phone to delete photographs, capable of summoning an army of drones with unrestrained weapons capability, and left it to a high schooler? The issue isn't "Peter has to give it to Mysterio or the movie wouldn't have been exciting", the issue is "why the hell does this tool exist? It flies in the face of everything Tony was trying to do to make the world better" and "Why would Peter give it to anyone? Why would he not gravely consider the unrestrained power in his hands and give it to someone just because they got along okay in their first day of knowing each other?"

Peter saw the Infinity Stones firsthand, he fought in a fucking war, he's not a regular ass 16 year old who you can excuse as being "I'm not ready for this, I can't handle this", he's someone who bonded with Tony Stark over responsibility and power and inherited Edith directly from him. It is a crazy, extensive reach that Peter would inherit those glasses from someone he connected with over superheroism and science/technology, see the note from Tony Stark that says "For the next Tony Stark", and think "Maybe he didn't mean me! Maybe he wanted me to pick someone I trusted to give this technology to!"

 

The film spent an entire hour showing how overwhelmed Peter was, how everyone was expecting too much from him, how he just wanted to be a kid. So now Nick Fury, one of the most trustworthy figures in the MCU brings Mysterio to Peter and says this guy is here to help us, you need to help him. Now a 16 year old kid found an out to go back to a normal life. He rationalized it how he needed to to make himself believe he wasn’t letting Tony down. And he couldn’t put them in his drawer because it was made abundantly clear that the dangers facing the world could appear at any minute. Was it a brilliant move for Tony to give these to a 16 year old kid? Probably not but tony has made dumb decisions before, and he would see this as both a way to protect Peter and to give them to someone he trusted and who he knows has no ego. Makes sense to me.

 

Didn't like the skrull thing at all, and really hope JJJ is the villain for the next film.

 

Also spider-man watches porn it's now official MCU canon

 

Tony should've named the glasses E.D.I.T.W.: Even Dead, I'm The Wooorst.

Really, though, everything with the glasses is incredibly stupid, & the same basic film only without the glasses would've been a lot better. The dumbest sequences could all be cut just by eliminating that choice, without affecting the plot. If you just have Stark give him normal glasses (or something else) & a note, nothing changes expect bad storytelling.

No more Peter being forced to strip for a SHIELD agent (or Skrull!? idk, who cares) & getting caught. No more accidentally trying to kill his classmate for jokes. No more absurdity of Tony giving a kid that kinda weapon. No more Peter giving away the last gift his mentor gave him.

Peter's conflict w/ "Fury" is still the same because he still wants to be w/ MJ more than he wants to be Spidey. His scene with Beck before the "twist" plays the same because that's where Pete chooses to talk to MJ. It's still a moment of Pete trusting Beck w/ what should be his responsibility, only instead of glasses, the responsibility is being a hero. Beck clearly already had drones for his illusions, so suddenly getting more drones doesn't really change that conflict. Peter still pursues Beck after MJ finds the lost drone. Instead of being upset about his dumb glasses decision, Peter talks to Happy about the pressure of responsibility. Beck still has a planned grand finale, for theatrical reasons.

I get that it makes emotional sense for Peter to trust Beck in that moment. That's not the problem. The glasses are just... dumb.

 

Lmfao seriously? Sounds like I'm in for a wild ride tonight

 

See I can get behind this.

 

It’s unfortunate that porn has been used as humor in both Spider-Man films but whatever. I guess it’s been normalized for a while.

 

What porn joke was made in Homecoming? I don't recall.

Anyway, find me a high school student who hasn't watched porn lol

 

I love that tony is the best/worst in the sense he’s caused a lot of turmoil for the heroes and villains, I feel like that’s what an IRL tony would have caused. I also Agree with a lot Tim just posted

 

The fingers on some people must be really sore in this thread because I’ve never seen others cherry pick so desperately on why they think a film is bad.

 

I actually think that's a pretty good porn joke.

 

I liked the movie a lot and these are some thoughts

- Zendaya is great. Also really appreciated the characterization of her as someone that struggles having "normal" interpersonal relationships, that's incredibly relatable
- I really like how the franchise made Tony Peter's mentor from the start and continued that after his death (Tony/Iron Man is the best)
- Introducing the multiverse as a concept and then throwing it out the window seems like a waste given all they could do with that for the series.
- Stark sure did put a lot of work into designing things specifically for Peter
- On that point, he also planned for Peter to receive Edith, but given how things happened in Endgame, he either somehow knew they would be able to bring him back or it was his plan even before the snap? Or maybe there was a list of people he would trust with it, with Peter being the top person available.
- Why would Beck want to incriminate Peter? Doesn't seem consistent with his motivations, guess we'll see
- Didn't like end credits reveal. It's an ok gag, but takes some good moments away from Fury as a character