Brand New Band • Page 857

I wish Straylight would of had more songs like Hands in the sky. Such a strong song.

 

LOG OFF RIGHT NOW AND GO LISTEN TO IT AGAIN

 

on it

 

Those Crime in Stereo records are some of the most underrated records and production on that page imo.

 

Wasn't that song (the heavy part) featured in a Sons of Anarchy episode? And then a bunch of Sons of Anarchy fans bought the album then left shitty reviews because nothing else was that heavy?

I thought I remember reading something like that. I find that hysterical.

 

Honestly why doesn't everyone who wants to do so just drop the pretenses? It's clear that a significant portion of the people in this thread want to continue discussing Brand New like nothing happened, so why don't they? I mean, go right ahead. Like these people have all said, nobody is forcing anyone to click the thread. It'll just keep getting bumped, and anyone who doesn't like the bumping can just not click. What could go wrong?

Because honestly the dancing around it is getting pretty pathetic at this point. Although to be fair, the dancing around it has already kind of ended as on the past two pages there are people literally praising BN's albums without a hint of a care for how it looks or how it makes others feel. So own it!

But eh, none of these people will. It's obvious. A thread full of cowards. I'm sure at least one of them will even quote this post with some kind of equivocation like "We're just praising the production, you see, not the album. Of course I would never praise the album" with the unspoken disclaimer of "...publicly." Because that's not how these people really feel, not at all. That's just what they have to say to avoid being ostracized and shamed. Shamed not for what you do privately (because if you can live with yourself listening to BN privately, go right ahead), but shamed for supporting the band's music publicly.

But yeah, if these people are incapable of showing empathy for JL's victims, surely they won't be able to show empathy for those who are triggered by what they say in this thread or elsewhere. So I get that asking for some empathy is a bit much. Oh well. Back to the innuendo and words unspoken I suppose.

This thread should've died when the band did.

 

I really do hope he works with more bands. Sci Fi and now this new BM record are among the finest production efforts of his whole career.

 

I'm not sure but that does sound hilarious. Where were the shitty reviews written?

 

ahh first post in months and.... its extremely negative.

 

I just did a quick Amazon search and found two.

 

Sadly in many cases we must adapt to our surroundings. Also, if you don't like my posts, uh, "nobody is forcing you to read them."

 

good response

 

LOL classic

 

you've made this about something its not. I really don't know why we can't mention other bands on this forum, we are doing nothing to support BN

 

literally I just wanted to help a new upcoming band get some recognition.

 

Recommendations

im really not trying to pick a fight with you man, but there are clearly people that find it very upsetting to see this thread bumped. there are other places where you can do that and it not have to turn into a thing every time

 

I for sure did not mean to spark this, I was simply pointing out my personal feeling of, when I see this thread bumped, there’s that sinking feeling of “::holds breath:: what now?”, and even though I know I shouldn’t, I click in anyway because if there really is news, I want to keep updated. I did un-sub the thread, so it’s not a big deal anymore for me, and I can appreciate people just wanting to give out recommendations, there really is no harm there.

 

Also if we literally can't post in here, I'm all for locking the thread

 

I remember in the Foxing thread it was suggested, with many agreeing by clicking like, that if anyone wanted to discuss similarities of the bands/albums that they do so in here. I thought about doing so for a moment but decided against it, since this thread being on the first page would undoubtedly cause issues. We're seeing why that shouldn't be done.

We need to find an answer on how to go about these types of things.

 

You know, I don't know if I have anything to add other than how I feel but here goes. I've been getting SF songs stuck in my head pretty consistently for the last year basically. I haven't listened since the news broke. I go about 3 seconds before I realize what band is stuck in my head and try to stop but as anyone who has ever had had a song stuck in their head knows, it's kind of futile. And it makes me feel so, so gross. It brings everything tied to the situation flowing back and it feels fresh again. I get mad at Jesse for what he did, I get mad at the rest of the band for doing nothing, and I get mad at myself/my brain for missing the music these creeps made.

I've thought about pirating SF to listen one last time without giving them any money or support. But I don't think that would negate the gross feelings. I don't think that would make me less angry. The main reason I don't, other than the fact that I get really mad when I remember what JL did, is because I want to be someone I like, someone victims of abuse can actually trust based on my actions and not a persona I put on. I just don't want to let people down. But I also don't think my feelings here are the only valid ones and I would actually really appreciate hearing how other people handled this personally.

I know the right answer isn't to act like the people on the BN subreddit, but I don't know if any of the shades of grey/black people here have landed on is the sole "right answer." The biggest thing that makes me think there might actually be a grey area is that there are people here and around the web who are victims of abuse themselves, who obviously don't condone the actions of JL or BN, that still listen. Who am I to tell them whats ok or not? Am I wrong to feel grossed out at myself for having these songs in my head? Does it actually matter to anyone but me that I don't listen to this band? Is it possible for people who used to be fans of this band to, I don't even know, "reclaim" these songs that a lot of people here had a strong personal connection with? Or is listening in any form implicit support of JL and BN?

I just don't have any answers and I really wish I did. Maybe this post doesn't have a point. Maybe the point is that there should be a place on this site where people can talk about these feelings and it seems like the only place to do that without talking about this band in an unrelated thread is here. I know what I've been doing the last year, just bottling it up, isn't healthy.

Maybe the next feature for this site should be blocking threads the way we can block other users. Then this thread could continue in whatever form it takes without potentially triggering those who would rather not see anything related to this band. Not that I want to put even more work on Jason's plate.


Jesse Lacey and Brand New are never going to do the right thing. That window has closed. I think it's time, for me at least, to find a way to not be hurt. Because that's all my anger is, my response to feeling hurt. I'm not talking forgiveness. I'm not talking public support, or financial support at all even. I just don't want to let the person that used to be my hero, who let me down so much, have this power over me anymore.

 

I think thread blocking is an amazing idea

 

Same here.

 

This was a nice dig actually

 

I don't think you need to feel guilty or gross by getting these songs stuck in your head, or even still liking the music. The music didn't mean as much as it did to you because it was Jesse Lacey, it meant something because you found something in the melodies or lyrics that connected to you on an emotional level.

I'm not going to pretend that I can still listen to their music often, or even at all for most songs....I just feel off/weird when I do 99% of the time. But it's also not worth beating yourself up about, IMO. Having songs still mean something to you because of how they connected to you/your personal life/your own mental state when hearing them/etc. doesn't make you a bad ally or anything....IMO, of course.

Maybe I'm just selfish as fuck but I never thought of listening to music privately as "supporting the band"....and, in this case, fuck the band. I'm not supporting them. I'm supporting my own emotional and mental state by listening to some songs I like privately.


One of my students this week while we were doing ice breakers asked me what band I'd like to join, and I didn't mention this band by name, I just said I had recently found out that the singer of one of my favorite bands was a real creep and that I can't consider them one of my favorite bands anymore so I choose _________ (I think I chose Alkaline Trio since they are my all time favorites). Publicly I will make sure no one will get the idea to listen to or support this band from me anymore. But privately, if I find myself going to dark places and I need a few specific songs to get me through that, I will use those songs as needed.

 

Sure, don’t engage with his criticism or anything. Holy shit.