30 Seconds To Mars Band • Page 21

What did you think to it as a whole?

 

Honestly I think tracks 1-6 are pretty solid. The choruses are big, the production is crisp, and I actually think Leto's voice marries well with this new poppier style. The acoustic track in the back half was also cool but other than that tracks 7-12 sort of all ran together for me. I'll probably give this record another listen or two but only see myself coming back to a handful of songs. Still like it better than LLFD though, that album is a snoozefest.

 

The irony of this statement being that seeing Imagine Dragons blow up is the primary reason they wrote it in the first place.

 

Save your breath (or keyboard strokes I suppose). I came in here looking for opinions on the new album and found it funny that the same type of smug lecturing that I encountered in the thread below was going on here. Bummer that intellectual conversations are no longer tolerated and replaced by shaming anyone who bothers to politely offer a SLIGHTLY different view.

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Ah, you put it so much better than I did. Kudos.

 

Oh Fuck off.

Yes there is a divide between people who are cool listening to a rapist and people who aren't. The people who aren't cool with it are going to look down on the people who do because we think your choice negatively effects victims, the scene, and distracts from the more important conversation. We can all talk about having different lines for what's acceptable to us, but sorry if I think LITERAL RAPIST doesnt fall into the grey area. So yeah, I think less of you.

Fuck tone policing.

I don't even know how you can try to ignore the shit he's done/the kind of person he is when he's built his entire public persona around what a narcissistic sleeze ball he is.

 

I'll try to keep having a civil discussion. I've actually seen those posts kicking around the internet for a few years. However, does being CHARGED with rape actually make one a rapist without ANY due process? From what you're saying, are we to discontinue all active engagement with any music, tv, literature, film once a single accusation has come out? If that's the case, I'd love to get a peak into your library to see if you're fully upholding what you're preaching.

 

Everyone knows the justice system is soooooooooo fair to victims of sexual assault


/s

 

I don't recall stating that the justice system was fair to victims of sexual assault. The larger point trying to be made, by more than one person, is there are was to have a discussion about this without jumping to smug shaming and name-calling at the first opportunity.

 

Not to disrupt the current conversation, BUT HOLY HELL that album cover HAS to be the worst album cover in the history of album covers. What the fuck is that?

 

I don't think there's any one single main album cover actually, at least from what I can tell?

 

Sucks there aren't more guitars on this

 

Thoughts on the new album @beachdude42 @SpyKi @manoverboard365 ?

 

It's pretty mediocre for the most part, honestly. My favorite song is probably "Remedy", and that's the one song that Jared doesn't sing on and that sounds totally different from the rest of the album lol

 

I missed all of the shit that went down in here but this is a bad take.

But, so is still actively supporting 30 Seconds to Mars, so


EDIT:
Oh nvm I guess they're gone now

 

So the "believe victims" argument goes out the window pretty fast if you don't actually abide by it. Pretty funny to see all the people throwing fits about Jared Leto and screaming at those that didn't trust an unverifiable source all of a sudden dismissing accusations outright because of the source.

Stumbling backwards into the realization that looking at these situations with a hardline is what @Phil507 has been saying from the start. Maybe you should apologize to the people you called names, yelled at, and shamed for having realized this before you and tried to explain it to you since you now see there are places where it should not just be a "believe victim's no matter what" stance.

 

wait, are you using my second post as a way to disregard my first? the person nicole is a known abuser that has lied about so many things before, that gives her zero credibility to talk about something secondhand when she still hangs around abusive people herself. there is no "believe victims" in that case because she is not the victim.

please do not use absolutely unrelated scenarios to discredit me. and also, like, why do you care so much about defending jared leto's honor?

 

b/c I assume they are a person who got banned who is attempting to deliver you a gotcha moment

 

probably.

but like, seriously? there's a huge difference between believing victims that obviously have so much to lose and an abuser that has a very large history of lying and recently even played a show with a known abuser.

 

Credible: Anonymous online comments from 15 years ago with absolutely no source and no hint at their credibility or verifiability or anything to lose because you do not know who they are.
Not credible: Person making accusation on behalf of someone else because they "hangs aroun with abusive people." (like you fucking don't)

Thanks for making it clear you don't actually believe what you say.

 

thanks for admitting we can look at these things differently depending on circumstances.
im sure everyone will definitely keep that line of thought next time.

 

How about you treat both situations with some sense of legitimacy? Jared Leto has been accused numerous times of abusive behavior. The TWIABP person is a known abuser; however, that does not mean that the claims are not legitimate. They should both be taken seriously. It kinda seems like you're just trying to defend Jared Leto which is a bad look

 

why do you care about defending cam boucher so much?

 

i've actually heard cam is a shitty person for other reasons but i'm not willing to accept a rape claim based on a secondhand source of someone who has been a proven liar in the past. i already don't listen to that band anyways

 

but you're willing to accept claims based on zerohand sources from someone who literally may not exist because no one knows who they are and get very mad at anyone that even comes close to saying they're not willing to accept abuse claims for any reason. good look!