Write Better Songs (Encore Episode 144) Podcast

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  1. Melody Bot

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    On this week’s episode of Encore I am joined by special guest Jesse Cannon. Jesse has credits on albums from The Menzingers, to Man Overboard, to The Cure. He has managed bands, produced bands, and has written multiple books about the music industry and navigating the current realities of being a musician and a songwriter in the internet era. He joins the show to talk about everything from authentic creativity when writing songs, to originality in music, to the biggest mistakes bands make when recording. We talk about sophomore slumps, how being emotionally aware leads to better music, and the entire idea behind bands writing albums for themselves versus for the fans. There’s a lot here, but it’s a fun one.

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  2. SoundInTheSignals

    @Bake_Wear / soundinthesignals.com

    When I think of albums that artists did as their experimental album that ended up missing the mark and hurting them a lot I always think of The Ataris 'Welcome The Night'. I really like a lot of that album, but when it came out it was met with such a huge disappointment in almost every way. Also that A Static Lullaby album Faso Latido is another that comes to mind.

    Side-note: I really want Jesse to produce another Man Overboard album. If that band ever does another album I hope it is with him.
     
  3. Connor

    I want to vanquish evil but my mojo’s gone Supporter

    Yeah 'Welcome The Night' pretty much ruined The Ataris career for the most part. They were huge with 'So Long Astoria' and the drastic change to 'Welcome The Night' just wasn't what fan wanted to hear from them I guess. I agree, it had some good songs though. I saw them a few years ago at a tiny venue in Salt Lake, like this place is basically a shed converted into a venue. Talking to Kris he seemed pretty bummed about the reception of that album, and they didn't play any songs from it at all.
     
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  5. TedSchmosby

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    Going to be my first Encore episode in a while. Really interested to hear you guys talk about Based on a True Story. That album should have been huge
     
  6. bodkins

    Trusted Supporter

    Jesse always has some great insight, enjoy the Noise Creators podcast. I had some dealings with Johnny while booking some time through them for my band, he's a great guy as well.
     
  7. Sander

    kflkmflkm

    man this makes me miss Off The Record Podcast
     
  8. Jason Tate

    chorus.fm @jason_tate @encorepodcast Staff Member

    This was a fun one. Hope you all enjoy!
     
  9. Michael Schmidt

    Don't recreate the scene, or reinvent the meanings Supporter

    Sick Cute Is What We Aim For burn haha.
     
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  10. LiveFast_DieOld

    Newbie

    Really enjoyed this conversation. Great episode
     
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  11. Chase Tremaine

    theherox @oursbyaccident oursbyaccident.com Supporter

    Incredible. Love seeing (hearing?) two of my favorite podcast hosts converge.
     
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  12. colemanbright

    Newbie

    Now I'm curious... which FOB/TBS/RJA songs have the same chorus?
     
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  13. LiveFast_DieOld

    Newbie

    I tried searching this too! haha, someone plz help
     
  14. KidLightning

    Paid | Shipping Soon Supporter

    Never listened to RJA, so can't help there, but the choruses of FOB's "Patron Saint of Liars and Fakes" and TBS's "Cute Without the 'E'" have a very similar melody.
     
  15. LiveFast_DieOld Mar 3, 2017
    (Last edited: Mar 6, 2017)
    LiveFast_DieOld

    Newbie

    Guessing it's face down by RJA
     
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  16. Jesse Cannon

    Newbie Verified

    Those are the correct songs.

    Thanks for all the kind words yall, this was super fun!
     
  17. Michael Schmidt

    Don't recreate the scene, or reinvent the meanings Supporter

    Hey, Jesse is in the house! Found some time away from recording/mixing for us.

    Jason, have you considered doing any sort of badge/banner for certain official accounts on here? I suppose there is nothing stopping anyone from creating a profile as someone that could confuse folks. Just a thought now that I see Jesse's post.
     
  18. RileyWitiw

    uh i thought this was absolutePUNK Supporter

    Loved this one, really insightful. Any scene bands could really benefit from this ep. Usually not a book reader but I may give this one a shot!
     
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  19. Michael Schmidt

    Don't recreate the scene, or reinvent the meanings Supporter

    This was a good episode don't get me wrong. However, this is yet another reminder for band's and music creators to take their work/craft seriously. Really working to write good songs and to listen and learn from folks in the industry when the opportunities present themselves. In a way, it's kind of sad that people need to still be reminded, but it is what it is. The idea of going to work with someone to produce/mix your record and proceed to not listen or be open to suggestions is mind blowing to me. I'm sure there are discussions of the expectations of both sides so when a suggestion or new idea to try comes up it should not be an insult. I don't know, I'm done ranting haha.
     
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  20. Jason Tate

    chorus.fm @jason_tate @encorepodcast Staff Member

    Yeah there's a verified profile option. I'll add it to Jesse. Thanks!
     
  21. SamLevi11

    Trusted Prestigious

    This is a great episode, my favourite in a while. Loved to hear the insight Jesse brought, and I liked that it made this episode a little different.

    Also, after researching, it turns out Jesse worked on of my favourite records, I Wish I Could Stay Here. So that's really cool. Gonna go check out the podcasts he presents too.
     
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  22. Jason Tate

    chorus.fm @jason_tate @encorepodcast Staff Member

    I'll definitely try and make sure to have @Jesse Cannon on again in the future if he'd like. It was a blast.
     
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  23. jorbjorb

    Conditioner is better.

    my favourite episode in a while. awesome to switch it up
     
  24. Jesse Cannon

    Newbie Verified

    Always down!
     
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  26. Former Planets

    Aaaachem! Supporter

    I absolutely despised it for about 5 years and now I come back to it all the time.
     
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