This article has been imported from chorus.fm for discussion. All of the forum rules still apply. Win Butler of Arcade Fire has been accused by multiple women of sexual misconduct: Numerous people who spoke with Pitchfork in recent months say that Win Butler’s virtuous public reputation is not entirely in line with his offstage behavior. Three women made allegations of sexual interactions with Butler that they came to feel were inappropriate given the gaps in age, power dynamics, and context in which they occurred. All three women were devoted Arcade Fire fans between the ages of 18 and 23 at the start of their interactions with Butler, which took place during overlapping periods from 2016 to 2020, when he was between 36 and 39. more Not all embedded content is displayed here. You can view the original to see embedded videos, tweets, etc.
I want to reply based on this l blurb, but I can’t even pretend to care enough about Win, Arcade Fire, or these devoted Arcade Fire fans from 18-23 as they are portrayed.
That blurb is so poorly written. Who cares if they are devoted fans, if they were victims, they were victims. Also, on the other side, if your 18-23, you’re considered a grown up, and arguing that the age gap is too great is weird. It’s also hard to understand what power he holds over people unless they are employed by, he’s physically threatened, or looking to damage their reputation. People need to stop seeking our relationships with people who they admire because we’ve seen so many cases where these relationship can be manipulated. Not every is their public image privately.
No. The quote is so poorly written as I said. I’d hope a journalist can come up with better writing than that when dealing with a serious subject matter.
My criticism is of that quote. There are literally events in the world and headlines that draw compassion for what is going on. Nothing in that line makes me want to care about an article on a musician, band, adult, fan or anyone based on that quote. Maybe the article has more context, but that quote doesn’t make me care at all while so much other bad stuff is going on at all. A victim is a victim. I don’t need to know about how much of a fan someone is or age gap. It’s pretty fair to insult a quote from an article. Having standards in what you read and who you read is important.
If you’re not going to read the entire article before commenting on a subject you admit is serious, then, respectfully, shut your mouth. Whether you think it’s poorly written (it’s not) does not give you the right to discount the allegation.
Not discounting the allegation. I am not going to read an article that Pitchfork puts out though that qualifies fandom and age when referencing sexual assault. I’d rather find another source material.
1) I don’t know what to tell you. Those details matter to the story, which you would know if you took the time to actually read it. 2) I’d encourage you to read about power dynamics and why they matter in situations like this. Which, again, you’d get some education on if you read the article. 3) Pitchfork is the original source of the report. Any other source is going to be citing the Pitchfork report and will include the same informations
I’m gonna pass. I do hope that the victims get whatever degree of Justice is warranted. I think having seen more articles that seem way better presented (to me) on the power dynamics, manipulation, this blurb shocks and disappoints me. I am also disappointed the only responses here are to my dislike of a blurb, and not in reference to the fact that yet again this kind of horrible stuff keeps happening.
In the future, don't comment on threads that you admittedly know nothing about, and maybe this won't happen! Please and thank you.
Sure. I read the blurb posted on this website. Maybe select a more accurate representation of the article in the future please.
You didn’t read the article and have no idea whether it is an “accurate representation” or not. (It is.) Don’t you dare try to act like you’re in the right when you aren’t willing to even learn what the situation is that is being “represented” in the first place. You simply do not know what you are talking about. Please stop trying to get the last word.
Anyone know of good research on celebrity power dynamics and victimization? We hear about this stuff so damn much that I have to wonder if it’s been the subject of legit empirical study in psychology.