When We Were Young Festival (Las Vegas) Tour • Page 116

Would go strictly for Creed

 

Honestly Limp Bizkit, Slipknot and Deftones are three of the best live bands, so I'd have a good time at this. So long as I can block out all the maga hats.

Also LOL I just noticed Aaron Cater.

 

Nice to see Corey Taylor pulling double duty with Slipknot and Stone Sour LOL

 

RE Finch: I think it's the production on shts as well as the song writing. The songs are just bizarrely structed, and the vocals sound detached from the music at times, and it just sounds hollow like there are layers or components missing. The time signatures and rhythms are just odd as well (and not odd in a cool way - just like huh, that doesn't sound good, odd). I've tried to go back to it so many times, but none of the songs grab me. As far as the 'scene' goes, I agree that it was one of the worst follow ups to a debut that I can remember. A lot of follow up albums tend to age better with time but not this one.

That said, assuming Finch leans in to the nostalgia, they are a must see next year for how good what it is to burn is.

 

Can you tell me which 2005 sophomore post hardcore adjacent album sounded better? For me that would be What To Do When You Are Dead for sure, but still, in my opinion SHTS rips, couldn't disagree more, it has a wide palette of sounds, definitely love coming back to it, love the screaming parts and Patton-esque vocals, the use of odd time signatures from time to time is definitely cool too. But I see I'm in the minority here ;d ;d which is fine!

 

Damn all this stuff about Finch is wild to read. I knew they were big in the early 2000’s but I had no idea that they were HUGE. My only experience with them was giving their first album a few spins and seeing them open for Yellowcard in 2015. I would’ve never guessed they were on par with The Used in terms of popularity

 

There was hype surrounding their first album, but they definitely didn't reach the popularity of The Used. The Used's debut album went platinum, had 3 songs in the Alternative Top 20, and they were headlining 3k cap venues before their second album even came out. Finch had that one single that started to chart well (title track), but the album never went Gold and they weren't able to get a second single to match the success of the first.

The biggest surprise for me this week was reading that they actually came out with a third album haha. I'll have to give that a listen soon.

 

Stay with me is such a bop. A perfect song for a single. Shame finch never caught on.

 

In all fairness, The Used were enormous in 2003. Like bigger than any ‘scene’ band by far and definitely the most mainstream (at the time). The Used were my crossover band that got me into this entire genre in 2002.

Also, Bert was dating Kelly Osborne at the time and was on the MTV show which definitely helped with their popularity.

Finch was definitely more popular than all the other bands coming up at the same time.

 

I dunno, I've always just felt something sounded off to me for whatever reason, and I just remember the discussion around the album ended with it being considered a disappointment. There's also a level of nostalgia to all this music, and probably because I dismissed it then, I'm having a hard time getting into it now. They just come to mind as probably the only band that I was SUPER into, that fell off hard and never recovered for me. The only other band may be the starting line. Based on a true story was okay, but bedroom talk just left a sour taste in my mouth, terrible cringe lyrics.

It's weird though because we were less internet connected, that bands felt huge if you knew about them and saw their shows, but maybe they actually weren't? I look back and am constantly surprised at how few plays some bands get that I thought were massive, and how many plays some bands get that I thought were a flash in the pan and should be dead by now.

 

Best example for me: The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus. To me they were nobodies that had 1 moderately successful song 15 years ago. But I look on spotify and they have almost 4 million monthly listeners, with said song having 350 million streams and a couple more songs hovering around 100 million streams each.

Meanwhile, middle school me thought that Fenix TX was one of the biggest bands out there, but I check their Spotify and they have less that 400,000 monthly listeners with only 5 songs that crack a million plays.

 

This is how it should be, would love to see them implement this next year.

 

Oh, I was lucky enough to not understand most of the lyrics in English the first few rounds in when I was a teenager in a foreign country back then. I think now I can still use that to my advantage, I just don't translate everything if it's crappy and it's easier for me to excuse the songs it seems. Really loved BOATS back then as well, along with a few other sophomore albums that really made my year (Spitalfield, FOB, MCS). Got one example of initial disappointment that comes to my mind too though; I remember really not liking Faso Latido by A Static Lullaby after I was fan of their debut, and well, it did click with me later! Though I don't come back to that record that much, especially compared to albums like SHTS, which I revisit from time to time

 

Definitely agree with the regular bias we usually have after our own experience with how big certain bands can be. Though I do remember Finch being considered pretty big here in Europe, they were on television, some movies, compilations (Dragging The Lake of course), partnered with Atticus too hahh, WIITB is from 2022, so it also precedes a lot of the bigger albums to come out later on. I think only The Used followed with that sound the same year, all the rest is from 2003< I think

 

The Finch story is an interesting one. I think the band may have felt, at the time, they were (not incorrectly) seen as a heavier off-shoot of a lot of the yelp-y pop-punk Drive-Thru was pushing at the time so they pivoted hard to show they had broader influences. The problem was is that the fans they ACTUALLY had were more interested in the Drive-Thru/pop side of them and people who actually liked post-hardcore never really fucked with Finch due to the type of package tours they did so they essentially pleased neither audience.

 

This is 100% spot-on, IMHO. And for the post-hardcore audience that it could have been for? By the time they came around to re-evaluating it, it was kinda too late. I can listen to it and objectively go "Yeah, that's good" but it's not locked into my listening habits the way other albums are. Because it's not that level of good...

It also didn't help that between WIITB in Spring 2002, and Sunshine being released in the summer of '05, the "scene" they could have been tied most closely to already had its "leaders."

My Chemical Romance, the Used, Story of the Year, Coheed, and Taking Back Sunday had all already had alt-rock radio "hits" and songs on MTV. Thursday, Senses Fail, Atreyu, and Thrice were picking up the rear with MTV2 play and milder radio hits... But plenty of underground support still. All of those bands grew exponentially while Finch was in hiding writing and recording. And that's not even including the peripheral bands (Killswitch) and artists on the smaller side that were starting to buzz (Silverstein, A Static Lullaby, Funeral for a Friend).

There just wasn't much room left. Had they released Sunshine a year earlier, exactly as it were, I legit think it could have changed things for them.

 

Yeah that's spot on. In fact the only time I saw Finch live was on tour with New Found Glory and Something Corporate. Especially with the Glassjaw vibes their second album had, they should've been packaged more with bands like them and The Used instead of the pop punk scene.

 

Finch is also a byproduct of the mismanagement of the DTR/MCA deal.

 

They had sunshine done a full year earlier and the record company kept denying it cause they didn’t hear singles and the album wasn’t marketable.

 

I think you are all thinking about it too hard, WIITB is actually THAT good of an album and SHTS is pretty bad

 

Nah. They're both okay albums. WIITB was the right album released at the right time by the right record label with the right marketing budget.

Sunshine is definitely not a bad record, but was just left-of-center of everything their peers were doing. But it would have undoubtedly have been more successful had it been released sooner. It was simultaneously (and ironically) released too late and too soon at the same time.

 

I remember my WIITB cd got stuck in my car CD player and I was pissed. I think the CD was translucent.

For some reason I remember seeing them and being disappointed that the singer couldn’t match the screams from the album. I remember them sounding more poppy live. Their next album never was even on my radar for some reason. That was like peak emo listening time too.

 

Haha... reminded me of this setlist of theirs back on Aug 11, 2004 in Mira Mesa, CA.



Finch - Live @ Epicentre 8-11-2004 70 photos · 17 views

 

wow I have some strong memories in that building

 

This has got to be the most Finch has ever been talked about.

Ever.