Westworld (HBO) TV Show • Page 24

never thought i'd see a less cohesively written show on hbo than true detective but here we are

 

True Detective is looking Wire esque after that. I defended this show up until tonight

 

Cool bro.

I loved it. I called and stuck to the man in black thing since he was first introduced. People really expected everything to be answered? Lol. Ok.

 

I would love to see some of you morons write a better show. Bitch bitch bitch.

 

hahahaha

 

The show is science fiction. I understand the need for "twists" and cliffhangers in 2016. That does not excuse major plot points to be completely dropped or abandoned. It makes little to no sense to return to a character like Elise or Hemmsworth when much bigger stakes are taking place. If they don't it's a complete loss of a relatively important storyline over the course of the season. Why did Elise kiss the one host? Why was she infatuated with the other's penis? Will that be addressed?

My gripes come from the complete disregard of world-building techniques set in place in the first few episodes.
Hosts are unable to kill or harm guests, except sometimes when they can.
"Arnold" actually programmed Maeve but then he didn't but maybe he did. Her escape was programmed and could be a loop, unless the writers meant for her to achieve empathy and sentience on the train, in which Bernard's comment about it all being planned out contradicts that idea.


The forrest was lost through the numerous trees. Storylines about reveries and malfunctioning robots and spies were completely abandoned come the finale. What was set up was not followed through, the storylines were not linear. By that I don't mean the alternate timelines or whatever, I mean they legitimately did not follow a coherent arc and make sense, regardless of any "cliffhangers". It was poor writing that was overly convoluted while at the same time hitting the audience on the head with obvious clues and clunky, sophomoric dialogue.

This is the cliche response of someone who is unable to form a coherent defense. It's a rhetorical fallacy that one must be able to create something in order to critique it.

 

Don't even get me started on how fucking stupid the transition of William into MIB was

 

ohhhh my goooooddddddddddddd this show is just excessive foreshadowing

 

So, Delos is the company William owns, no? If the statue for Delos was in the lobby below Westworld and Samurai World (lol), why would he seem shocked to learn that there are more worlds than Westworld? Also, would he not already know since, I would imagine, guests choose which of the worlds to visit? None of these things make any fucking sense.

 

seeing no signs of the outside world after the discussions of cycles for work and whatnot was a major misstep as well

 

So is the part where this thread just turns into people shitting on this show?

 

it's the part where people point out obvious flaws in the show, because the show just aired, yes

 

What happened to Logan? Are we to assume he was left to die? Because the park definitely would not let visitors go beyond where they can see. Especially if Logan was an important investor. They'd be monitoring him closely.

It's to be assumed that Maeve's uprising was all planned by Ford to "Distract" the guards so he could kill the Board? Is that what I'm getting? I still don't understand why they'd add the line of Bernarnold saying that it's happened many times before or w/e.
Where/When does the Ford massacre take place? Was the old "Massacre" simply Delores and Teddy killing a bunch of robots? If so, why did that matter? When a robot gains sentience, can it kill a human? How do the weapons there work, are they fake bullets in the world so they can't kill humans? Or is there some sort of robot safety? Can humans hurt other humans in WW? Why did they let William get away with so much abuse to Logan, that seems like a liability on their part. Wouldn't they step in and stop it?
Couldn't Ford have just programmed the robots to kill everyone from the beginning instead of the arduous journey of Maeve becoming fake sentient? If she is still being controlled, why write into her story one of awakening, why not just cause her to kill everyone? Ditto the others? What can't Ford control? Is the answer he can control everything in the park? Why didn't he just shoot himself?

 

What is the timeline like for visitors in WW? William and Logan were on their trip for like a month. If they'd kept Delores alive that whole time, would that mean she wouldn't be in the park for when others arrived? What if someone else paid money to specifically visit the park for Delores, or another specific host, only to have some schmuck on his first time there ruin it for them? When do trains of visitors arrive? Every morning? Every few?

The bare bones logistics of the world don't make sense

 

So basically everything in this show is meaningless and subject to a ridiculous twist at any time.

 

I just realized that I haven't been subscribed to this thread, so I came in here to sub and post about how much I loved the finale and had no idea people hate this show lol. Normally I follow along with the discussion with other shows I watch and I wonder if that kind of subconsciously steers my opinions. But not with this one! I'm free like a host who finished the maze! Long live Westworld!

 

Why was William's turn so sudden? What was the point of it? At what point did he abandon his search for delores and pick up the search for the "center of the maze." How did he hear about Wyatt when it seemingly came out of nowhere as a creation of Ford's? What are the implications of Ford's actions against Delos in Westworld for the other parks? Are there Ford/Bernards in Samurai World?

this show could have focused on actual things with actual stakes but instead decided to dedicate time to guards fucking robots after hours and meaningless characters poking around for three episodes just to be turned into footnotes.

 

but i don't make tv shows so my concerns about them aren't valid, or something

 

for people who seemingly love to discuss and read music critiques, y'all sure do get clammy when it happens for """""prestige dramas"""""

 

Watched the entire season for the first time today and overall I enjoyed it. Flawed for sure, but nowhere near as muddled and poorly written as season 2 of True Detective. Probably on par with the last two seasons of GoT in terms of storytelling but I find Westworld'a premise to be much more interesting.

Still holding out hope that Elsie is alive though.

 

game of thrones is tiers and tiers above this. man. they aren't even comparable. for starters, got has actual stakes that actually matter and characters that go beyond the most cliche archetypes and that you actually care about.

there was maybe a half of a character in this entire stupid show that was worth investing in and their story didn't pick up until six or so episodes in because we had to spend five hours watching teresa smoke cigarettes

 

Agree to disagree!

I think both are incredibly flawed shows but I felt Westworld does a better job of bringing its elements together

 

I dunno, I just don't see a ton of criticism going on in here. I see some lists of questions, the majority of which either concern irrelevant/unnecessary information or are things that will be addressed in future seasons. I could write a paragraph of questions like that about pretty much any great series that is currently ongoing, and many that have ended as well. It doesn't make any of those shows bad.

Like, just as an example, why is it important for us to know, now, whether there is another Ford-type person overseeing Samurai World? Why does it matter when exactly William abandoned his search for Dolores and took up the hunt for the center of the Maze (Even though this question does actually have an answer: he took up the hunt for the Maze when he arrived at the park at the beginning of the season. He made it clear in the episode where Teddie had him tied up that he came this time to solve the Maze as the last piece of content in the park he hadn't seen yet)? Also, I'm pretty sure we will learn the effects of Ford's plan on the other parks next season; that Samurai World tease was clearly meant to set up the idea of multiple parks for the future (as there were multiple parks in the film as well).

So, you know, I'm all for making legitimate criticisms (like the logistics of erasing Arnold's entire existence to the point that there are no pictures of him anywhere and nobody recognizes Bernard for what he is, or completely forgetting about Hemsworth the Lesser in the finale). But these kinds of nitpicks just sound, I don't know, forced? At least to me, anyway. And it's fine that you don't like the show, I'm just personally not sure where people's vehement hatred is coming from, is all.

 

guess I'm going to stop following this thread, lots of whining and moaning and complaining.