Westworld (HBO) TV Show • Page 13

Exactly how I feel.

 

I'm loving it, definitely confused, but that's ok

 

I don't think it is confusion that is getting in the way. It's hard to care about characters that are robots - even more so - robots that up until this point were on a continuous loop. It just started slow and I was a little bored. The characters who aren't robots, we know very little about, or they are complete shits.

If anything, it's the confusion that has kept me watching.

 

yep, exactly. the mysteries are the only things worth attaching to here. as andy greenwald said on their pod last week, i'd almost rather not watch, hear what happened, and discuss theories than watch at this point

 

You all sound like people who hated 'Lost'.

I'm loving this. The hosts that are gaining something akin to sentience. The uncertainty about who is and who isn't a human. The white hat/black hat dichotomy. This is just a board being set at this point. It could very well amount to a whole lot of nothing and turn out to be a dumb show, but for now I think it's doing a very good job.

 

I also love the juxtaposition between the Hosts and their loops versus some of the human's and their stated loops or fixed roles- i.e. Felix and the EVP

 

My thoughts exactly. I don't think it will be dumb though, I truly believe they have an end game in mind with this show. Too much money and big names involved for it not to be. It's just taking time for us to get attached to any character, which can be said about any show.

 

I'm inclined to agree.

 

I can't tell you how many HBO shows are a slow burn and took me a while to get attached to the characters, get used to the pace of the show, see who is really gonna stick around, etc. The Wire, GoT, Six Feet Under, Deadwood are ALL like this.

 

liked lost a good amount. it didn't fall into the trap of self-seriousness that this is so far and it had characters intertwined with compelling relationships, even through five episodes and even with having 20+ episodes in the first few seasons of its run, unlike this show so far.

 

Eh - I enjoyed all of those with a bit more immediacy. I'm not down on the show, though. I know this is all very heavy exposition and I have no doubt it will amount to something. I was just saying it wasn't the most enjoyable watch the first few episodes.

 

I'm just dying for flashback episodes. Seeing these characters in, say, The Dinner Party or the cannibal cult era would be killer.

 

there isn't any 1 or 2 characters im invented in yet, i think that's my problem at the moment. That stuff tends to grow, but so far all the humans are just dreary ass people. The robots are all solid though

 

Hopefully the show becomes more than just robots becoming sentient and rebelling against humans. It would also help if I had a reason to care about any of the characters.

 

I don't think it's super self serious outside of the AI becoming self-aware stuff.

Some fun dialogue and winks here and there.

(You found an easter egg!)

 

yeah lost was a far more interesting character show, especially early on. i don't care about anyone on here at this point. it's cool but it's not a show that's generally pulled in my focus yet

 

It's entertaining. I think I'm less invested in figuring shit out in this than I was in True Detective or the like, so I'm enjoying it more. I like talking about the theories with my friends and not reading a lot of stuff online. The characters are whatever, I'm not invested in any of them but I'm also not bored.

 

i mean a lot of the characters are deliberately low-personality androids struggling against pre-programmed responses and storylines, there are like four characters that are actually "human" and they arent interacting with one another much at all. makes sense that that would be a weakpoint but thats not the end all, especially when the show is pretty obviously gearing up to tackle some larger philosophical issues about consciousness and morality

 

I guess I'm surprised that people aren't into this, the mystery building is amazing. Spoiler'd in case no one wants to discuss theories

The extremely high probability that we are seeing two timelines. Timeline A is shortly after the park opened where William, his asshole friend, and Dolores are all together. Timeline B is years later where William is now the Man in Black.

Timeline A - Arnold just died, Timeline B he has been dead for 30 years
Timeline A - Lawrence is alive and kicking, Timeline B - Man in Black killed Lawrence
Timeline A - Dolores isn't corrupted and sentient yet, Timeline B - she is losing it
the list goes on

My co-worker and I were also talking about the idea of Arnold, and that he might be either Ford or Bernard. Maybe Ford created this character, or maybe Bernard was created in Arnold's image and is actually a robot.
Anyway, there is much, much more that I find extremely exciting and fascinating, I can't wait to see how things pan out and show what may or may not be happening`

 

I am fully with you on all of this. William came to the park as a good guy in the real world and the Man in Black is noted for his generosity/charitable nature in the real world. Watching his development from white hat to black hat in Westworld would be extremely interesting over the course of 30 years, and there's plenty to mine for multiple seasons.

Also, there is no way that Bernard is NOT a robot version of Arnold, especially given Arnold's goals for sentience in the hosts and Bernard's conversations with Dolores.

 

Agreed, definitely think this is along the lines of what is going on, completely or in part

 

part of the problem is how heavy-handedly they've hinted towards all of that so far, even as far as this week's "your cheap black suit" line from Logan to William. Either they're being overtly heavy-handed, which is not great, or they're leading us down this path just to bait-and-switch us, which isn't great either

 

I think that's confirmation bias honestly. I think most people/HBO viewers aren't picking up on stuff like that. Just because you or I have inkling towards it doesn't mean it's overtly heavy-handed at all. Either that or you are calling everyone who isn't noticing things dumb, which is rude

 

literally if the line that i put in spoilers didn't make you think something is up, ya that's dumb sorry

 

puh-leeze