WandaVision (2021, Disney+) • Page 36

Especially since it seems they're hinting pretty hard that Wanda isn't in full control here.

 

I would argue that "character does morally questionable act during extreme duress = they're a villain" is extremely lazy writing, especially without the full arc into villainy (and we're not done with Wanda's arc yet) but that's just me.

 

She’s holding an entire town hostage but she’s sad her robot boyfriend dead so it’s ok

 

Wanda is, I believe, in full control of the Westview bubble, albeit subconsciously. Who caused her to create this reality by sending her that envelope with the house and pushing her over the edge, that's anybody's guess right now.

 

I love it when I, a normal human being, am held hostage and also lose all control of my mind and body. It’s just morally questionable, not absolutely shitty and evil.

 

Yeah, that's what I was getting at - it seems *to me* that Wanda definitely created the hex, but that someone/something is pushing her actions - either that or she's blocking out what she did, cause it seems they're setting it up that Wanda also isn't 100% how this all happened.

 

Like I get it I love the characters too y’all but come on

 

...it still hasn't been revealed if she's totally in control though.

 

Shitty? Yes. Evil? I think we'd have to examine her motives and whether or not this was a premeditated thing (it wasn't). Seems pretty reductive to write her off as an evil villain given everything we've seen so far about what she's going through. But go off.

 

Isn’t the big bad the military dude that had Vision

 

She’s gotta be REALLY controlled by someone else to not take some of the blame

 

There's a pretty big gap between "was manipulated and needs to answer for her actions" and "outright evil villain" though.

 

Gotta run sorry for derailing another marvel thread again

 

Nobody is suggesting she doesn't bear some of the blame, but goddamn she's not a villain, she's not evil. She's in a dark place emotionally and she made a horrible mistake. And it's looking more and more like she was pushed into it also. This isn't a black and white situation.

 

come on

 

I mean, he may be the big bad if he isn't actually who he says he is/seems to be

 

I dunno if Hayward is the big bad, but he did lie about Wands stealing Vision’s corpse. So he is not the upright guy he pretends to be, but that doesn’t mean he is the big bad.

 

I mean... the head of a government organization lying about a weapon they're dubiously in possession of seems more "US Military" evil than "bwahaha!" kind of evil, but yeah, who knows what they're gonna reveal. Hayward's throwaway line to Wanda about "having the power to bring him back" or something is the only thing that ticks the "maybe secretly the big bad" box for me as opposed to "just a spook".

 

Haywood seems to be no more devious than Nick Fury in the first Avengers film. He is a guy that goes by the book and once he notices a threat, he will eliminate it by any means. Misguided, but not big bad material.

So far, the only character that could be stretched into a "big bad" is Agatha, but I'm convinced she is merely just testing Wanda to see how much power she actually has and that she doesn't have any "evil" plans herself.

The "big bad" will have an opportunity due to the chaos that Agatha is causing.

 

You think we find out who Jimmy Woo is looking for or do you think that was just a plot device to get him there?

 

I could see this. Agatha stuck me as more curious and trying to find out exactly *how* Wanda did this, and my guess would be she'd like to use that power, or Wanda, for herself. Not an out and out villain, just... self-motivated. But she also could just be trying to coax Wanda to where she needs her, as she's been manipulating events the whole series.

 

saying hayward, if he’s not mephisto or whatever, is the big bad is like saying redford is the big bad in the captain america movie

i.e. a bad and wrong take

 

My guess is plot device, mostly introduced to explain why the family/friends of Westview residents who live outside of Westview aren't freaking out about their friends inside - they don't remember them at the moment. The dude's family claiming he didn't exist is what got Woo to investigate in the first place, I'm sure an informant dipping out isn't *that big* of an event.

 

Yeah, I've caught myself a few times thinking "what *else* is Hayward supposed to do in this situation?" cause uh... the hex is crazy shit lol

 

It’s not a perfect analogy (none are, especially when you factor in superheroes), but if we’re going with the grief angle that’s pretty blatantly the intended primary theme... The people caught up in the hex could be a comic-book-y illustration of how, if we ignore our shit instead of work through it, our facade ends up hurting those around us. It’s a lil messy, but I think it works.

As wonderful as Agatha is (mainly just ‘cause Kathryn Hahn rules), she does kinda muddy that analogy in favor of a more basic supervillain, lol. (Which, I mean, it’s Marvel, so what would you expect?) Still, if you’re willing to stretch a bit, you could argue she’s an example of how people often prey on those they know are in a vulnerable for their own purposes.