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Discussion in 'Entertainment Forum' started by Melody Bot, Nov 10, 2023.

  1. The Lucky Moose

    I'm Emotional, I Hug the Block Prestigious

    I do have some sympathy for the argument that all games should have difficulty options (can be more than one slider, see Control or Veilguard) that can be put as low as to make the game trivial for people who just want to “see” it. Like, if you want your notoriously hard game to be hard, just don’t lower the difficulty, but don’t bother others about it? I just think that given the way things are currently done, you shouldn’t knock one game in particular for not having that.
     
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  2. digitalsea

    hate my favorite band

    This. Pen puts it better than me. Enough said.
     
  3. Morrissey

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    It is a product that people pay money for but are not able to access because they can't pass a test. You keep saying skill like this is a job we are expected to have qualifications for. It is piece of entertainment, much more expensive than a movie or a book. There is no reason that they couldn't keep the traditional settings of the game for people who want the challenge while allowing a way for everyone else to experience the thing they paid for. This is just a common-sense pro-customer position.
     
  4. Fucking Dustin

    I'll always edit a post Supporter

    I’m okay with it as long as there’s a defined difficulty the game is clearly balanced around. I feel like a lot of games with a spectrum of difficulty don’t have one that “feels” balanced and it’s either a cakewalk or a tryhard 0 deodorant difficulty and it results in a bad unclear experience
     
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  5. The Lucky Moose

    I'm Emotional, I Hug the Block Prestigious

    Like I said, I sort of agree. I just would exchange “experience” for, like, “see”, because sometimes the difficulty that feels like running into a wall again and again is part of the “experience”.
     
  6. The Lucky Moose

    I'm Emotional, I Hug the Block Prestigious

    I agree
     
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  7. Morrissey

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    Isn't "normal" usually the difficulty developers had in mind?
     
  8. Penlab

    Prestigious Supporter

    Did you, by the way? Pass the test?
     
  9. The Lucky Moose

    I'm Emotional, I Hug the Block Prestigious

    Doesn’t have to be, scales could just be the results of playtesting etc. Sometimes they mention which one is the intended one.
     
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  10. The Lucky Moose

    I'm Emotional, I Hug the Block Prestigious

    Veilguard has sort if shitty difficulty despite all the sliders, TTK is either way too long or enemies explode when you look at them lol
     
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  11. phaynes12

    https://expertfrowner.bandcamp.com/ Prestigious

    i like madden
     
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  12. Penlab

    Prestigious Supporter

    Remembering the bit in Achievement Hunter where Gavin Free claimed he didn't realize John Madden was a person and thought the game was called Madden because it would make you really angry.

    I dunno, seems relevant right now.
     
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  13. digitalsea

    hate my favorite band

    Why do you keep bringing jobs into this? Games require skill. Hobbies require skill. Not only jobs. So what do we do? We practice and get better. We don't cry that a mechanic of a game that we knew was a mechanic of the game is wronging people. Your complaint really just boils down to "I suck at the game and they need to cater to me". Why not just buy games you can play then? Maybe do a little research (outside of your job of course) on the things you buy. If it's has challenging secret mechanics, maybe don't buy it. Especially when it's a remaster of a game you already know.

    It's also not just your complaint, but the way you're going about it. You're not a fucking victim because you suck at a game and can't unlock a secret challenge level. You chose to spend that money. You could've spent that on 10 movies nobody has heard of probably, but here we are.
     
  14. Penlab

    Prestigious Supporter

    It's not that I don't get what Morrissey is saying, but I do think that both things can exist. There can be content that's made accessible for everyone and there can also be content made solely as a challenge for people who want a challenge. It's alright to have both.
     
  15. digitalsea

    hate my favorite band

    It is okay to have both. Personally I think Souls game should have an easy mode for my ass. But I'm not going to complain about it when I buy it and can't get through the first boss, when it's my fault.
     
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  16. morgantayler

    Pink Pony Club Prestigious

    I pretty much gave away my copy of Elden Ring because I sucked at it and didn’t have the time to invest in it lol
     
  17. Morrissey

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    Other forms of art don't require skill checks. You can misunderstand an entire book and they still let you read the last chapter. You can misunderstand the entire plot of a movie and still get to the ending. Why do you keep implying I can't play the game if I beat it on the Wii (when it was harder) and on the Switch?

    It has nothing to do with research. Even if it had a giant sticker saying that the secret world requires doing even more difficult tasks, it is still wrong.

    I don't know what you mean by movies no one has heard of, but it seems like you are really getting off course.
     
  18. digitalsea

    hate my favorite band

    Bloodborne is the only one I've gotten decently far in and it's because I used an exploit to become OP early on. After they patched it, I eventually ran out of steam and couldn't measure up anymore. lol
     
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  19. digitalsea

    hate my favorite band

    Oh so reading isn't a skill? You just knew how to read out of the womb? You didn't need to practice at all? Yes, these things require skill. I assume you have comprehension skills like most people, so that's yeah those things to include having a skill at some level. Because not understanding the movie is blocking someone from getting the full product that they paid for? Is that the movie's fault or the person's?
     
  20. Penlab

    Prestigious Supporter

    Other forms of art are passive and don't require physical interaction or even mental interaction by the viewer. That's why I keep bringing up sports.
     
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  21. The Lucky Moose

    I'm Emotional, I Hug the Block Prestigious

    This argument I don’t understand. Watching movies doesn’t require reading (a skill as others have said, but that is besides the point) etc. They don’t require the same things because they are different.
     
  22. Cameron

    FKA nowFace Prestigious

    I like when tetra comes in here and shares his gaming takes don’t scare him off guys
     
  23. Penlab

    Prestigious Supporter

    He's out of control. I'm sorry Cameron, we're going to have to put him down.
     
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  24. Morrissey

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    Why does it have to be that way, though? Why not let the player define the level of skill, within reasonable means?
     
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  25. Morrissey

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    The sports analogy has a lot of problems. Sports are competitive, but in a single-player video game you are playing against a computer. I play a lot of online chess, and they match you with people in your skill bracket. Playing against the computer in chess lets you choose between a bot that plays like a beginner all the way to a bot that plays like a grandmaster. This seems to work for everyone.

    In terms of real life sports, you have everything from a game at your local gym to the NBA. No one would say the NBA should play down to a casual players' level.