Instead of having a closing time that relies on people and their different ideas of social norms, restaurants should have a last seating time.
Sounds unfair to the restaurant workers who have lives and families they are entitled to get back to after working their scheduled hours
Yeah, I agree. Restaurants already kinda do this for Doordash to account for driver delays. In my city, they always seem to close earlier in the app than the actual restaurant's hours. Typically by a half hour to a full hour.
Maybe I am misunderstanding. You are saying that instead of a restaurant closing at 9pm, they should have last seating at 9pm, and however long that last seating wants to stay is up to them? So they could stay til 9:30 or midnight?
Yeah I see that a lot with the food apps. I thought the unspoken rule was half an hour or earlier before closing time but I went to a place an hour before they close and they started sweeping around us.
So let's say they "close" at 9. There is an unofficial rule to not show up 10 minutes before they close, but why not make a rule like seating until 8:15 or 8:30?
Fairly standard to have a shift scheduled to an hour after closing time anyways. When I worked at a supermarket, we closed at 9 but were always scheduled till 10 for stragglers and cleaning up
Every restaurant i worked at scheduled us no later than like 15 after close. And then complained endlessly about overtime
I think the issue is being clear when the kitchen closes, every place has their own timeframe , and the real issue is you can't rely on customers having common sense lol
That may be true but they start breaking down the kitchen when they think they are done. Also, the server that has to stay is not making any money.
Damn that seems like... Not a lot of time to make sure the place is all cleaned up haha. Washing tables, vacuuming, mopping, neatening up, customers staying late, etc.?
I have been in a place where a big party showed up 10 minutes to close. Nice Italian restaurant, ordering a bottle of wine. Probably dessert too.
Haha I mean don't get me wrong, I've never worked in a restaurant! I just assumed they would at least be as strict as a grocery store, if not more, just to avoid health code violations
I used to be a pizza delivery driver and most of the chains take delivery orders until closing time which means the manager might have to sit there for an hour after close until the driver gets back and they cash out. We stopped deliveries an hour early and it was nice, especially if you got one right at the end so you could take the long way and avoid cleaning.
I mean I only have california whole foods to compare but grocery stores are WAY stricter. Also I can tell you havent worked at a restaurant because you said "avoid health code violations"
When I was a general manager at a popular fast casual restaurant chain we scheduled people’s shifts until 90 minutes after closing. We’d usually get done cleaning everything an hour after at the latest though.
During the couple months I worked at KFC in high school my most stressful moments were when someone came in to get a Family bucket meal at like 11pm. KFC almost never has enough of one kind of chicken left at that point to make a family meal. You have to mix and match whatever we have left.
We went to a little pizza place an hour before they closed and they started sweeping and putting up chairs before our main course even came out. I felt a little less bad because they were still doing takeout but I guess 90 minutes will be the new goal. I like eating late but the only places open late in suburbs are the chains.