I’m expecting a BadChristian podcast soon. They usually keep up with Underoath and asks them questions about that stuff. If Spencer chooses to put his beliefs to the forefront I’m curious as to how the religious members feel and how they view the new lyrics.
i mean some members of thrice arent religious and are fine with dustin's christian based lyrics, not sure why the opposite cant be the case in underoath
I’ve thought about that. I can see the other members being fine with it due to them just seeing it as a personal experience for Spencer and not a statement on how he views their beliefs.
I can only speak for myself and for me, if I was in the band, the intent and delivery is what would matter. Is he just writing about his own personal life? Is he mocking us? Will he be militant? I’m not saying Spencer is mocking them or being militant but those would be imaginable factors that come into the decision.
These are the closing lines to the sleepwave record "Watch me eat myself alive Stood right here a thousand times Couldn't help me if you tried If I'm diving into you I'll be the desperate I'll be abused Just don't count me out They're not gonna change me They're not gonna save me I'll just save myself I'll just save my fucking self Don't save me I'll save my fucking self" Numerous times throughout that album Spencer references abandoning the faith or at the version of it he knew before.
I’d just like clarity on what he is aiming for when it says “your life is a lie”. Surely it’s not aimed at Aaron or the others. Any other band and I wouldn’t be so curious but with Underoath’s history and how much I’ve related to their previous stuff, this one just comes as a bit of a shocker.
I don't think you should overthink it too much, I'm pretty sure the lyrics of the upcoming album when be self explanatory. I think the band has been through one big journey collectively in terms of what they believe, so I won't put it as Spencer opposing what the others believe. I think what they traditionally believed (especially aaron) has led to certain directions for the band (such as him leaving in 09) . So it's probably them deconstructing what they traditionally believed and exploring how it impacted the band in the past and moving forward.
To be fair Aaron on the lead singer syndrome podcast even said he's not like, SUPER into the faith like he used to be. Not abandoning it or anything but he doesn't feel the need to push it so strongly nowadays. And in any case I'm sure if it was an actual issue the members would have all talked it out before putting out the song
I do when I’m frustrated or not trying to hold back. I have tried to not say them as much just so it doesn’t become a large part of my vocabulary and I end up using it in front of the wrong audience (grandparents, kids, etc.) but my Christian beliefs are not the source of it at all.
In Hole in the Earth off of SNW Chino sings directly at his bandmates and chastises them for lacking taste sometimes. The second track on that record, as I’ve already pointed out, is called Rapture. This album is a veiled tribute to SNW. You heard it here first.
I truly don't mean to nitpick or derail your observation, just wanted to reiterate that as mentioned earlier in the thread: Aaron has on multiple podcasts that his decision to leave was influenced very little, if any, by his beliefs changing. The guy was very mentally sick and needed help. Check out his interviews with BadChristian Podcast and Lead Singer Syndrome, if you want to hear how the departure went down.
Thread's arguing about Underoath's swearing and religious beliefs today like Feels like deja vu, these opinions contending again. There Could Be Nothing After This is literally a song dedicated to cocaine addiction, the divisive result from Spencer's lyrical approach is not really anything new, been happening for a long time. Why, in 2018, we're still caught up in it...well... Forgot where I was going with this.
yeah disambiguation lyrically is all about addiction and struggling with faith, i dont see how the lyrics on this new song could come across as surprising at all
Yeaa I forgot about those interviews, strange thing is in others I saw him do, he didn't mention it directly but more or less said he left because "god told him to" , I think he was trying to be vague as possible so that he wouldn't sound overtly religious. When I mentioned his beliefs, I meant as in he felt like the band wasn't good for his faith. And was taking a toll on him , that's what I got from the interviews