Twitter Just Permanently Suspended Milo Yiannopoulos • Page 6

Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by Melody Bot, Jul 19, 2016.

  1. Malatesta

    i may get better but we won't ever get well Prestigious

    I don't think anyone is defending her for doing this, dude. We're just more focused on the guy who does this serially and to an incomparably larger degree.
     
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  2. aranea

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    Nobody has said what you're accusing us of though. See @Spencer Control's reply.
     
  3. No, throwing a rock into the ocean and boiling the water are definitely the same thing. :eyeroll:
     
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  4. AutopilotYears

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    I didn't accuse anyone of defending it, I originally said that I'm surprised no one is addressing that side of it and then when you asked what I was talking about I showed you.

    I also never said what she is doing is on the same level as what Milo is doing, but I do maintain that what she did is part of the overall problem that Twitter has with brigading.
     
  5. aranea

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    It's not being addressed because it was either not seen or as said previously, doesn't compare anywhere near to the level of what she received and what Milo said/did. It was not the main topic of discussion or why this news was posted. The racism and sexism against Leslie at play here is a huge issue.

    Also, I already said earlier Twitter should stay consistent about what's allowed and what isn't and their punishment of harassment and abuse. I've seen YouTubers do the brigading to each other on Twitter before as well, even with no racist/sexist/homophobic connotations whatsoever. Sure Milo was banned. But what about the dozens, maybe hundreds of accounts that sent disgustingly racist and sexist tweets/images at Leslie too? Have they been handled? That's why I'm skeptical of Twitter because they have been aware of their inaction for years but besides one or two major situations, all we see is admission but not much else.
     
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  6. AutopilotYears

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    Yeah I know, and honestly you're not the person that I'm perturbed by in this thread because you are right with a lot of what you're saying.

    The thing that annoyed me was when you see people having full blown arguments in this thread with each other about topics that are applicable, but not entirely centered around what we're directly discussing, but apparently I'm the dick because I bring up one inconvenient fact which is completely related to what we're talking about.

    Yeah I get it, you guys run the site and you can do whatever you want etc etc, but at the same time either we're talking about this or we're not. We can't have a discussion about the shitty things Milo did without addressing the brigading part of it because that's what a lot of it is based around.

    Either we're talking about harassment on Twitter or we're not, just because part of it goes against Leslie's side doesn't mean its not applicable and definitely doesn't make me the asshole for bringing attention to it.
     
  7. Malatesta

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    Yeah I appreciate you substantiating your claims, as a lot of people just kind of throw them around in this situation when accusing Leslie.

    Perhaps it is indicative or symptomatic of the problem, but to bring attention to it in this case just doesn't make sense. It's a bigger fish to fry thing. Not to mention how justifiably emotional she probably was, it's just not even worth bringing into the conversation about how to moderate twitter unless it actually ever becomes prevalent.
     
  8. Malatesta

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    We are talking about harassment on Twitter, but it's very frequently racially directed and abused in a way that Leslie lashing out once is not helpful to elucidate on. It's not that what she did was fine, it's just not really informative to the most significant instances of Twitter use
     
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  9. A woman was harassed, horrifically, on Twitter in an extended sexist and racist attack ... it absolutely makes you an asshole to, not hours later, be like "well, she sorta did something similar this other time." It misses the entire point of why one person was banned, it's a logical fallacy in its own right, and after someone has been horribly abused online you are an asshole if your first, second, or third reaction is to then try and point fingers at them.
     
  10. AutopilotYears

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    I don't think being a victim of something gives you a free pass to be a hypocrite. What happened to her is horrible, but she is part of that same problem too. If that makes you think I'm an asshole, then so be it.
     
  11. To compare the two is so beyond disingenuous that it borders on absurdity.
     
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  12. incognitojones

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    Hey man I know that guy got murdered, but I totally saw him punch someone before. He was just as much a part of the violence problem we have in the world, makes me feel for that murderer
     
  13. AutopilotYears

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    or you can just think both actions are wrong. I've said nothing but negative things about Milo.
     
  14. incognitojones

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    Why even bring it up like the two are equivalent? Did she go out of her way to attack someone who did nothing to her personally and get her whole following to bombard them with racist attacks?

    The whole idea that when someone is attacked and their entire past is brought up to try and make a reason why they deserved to be treated like garbage, is bullshit. And that's what you're doing whether you're cognizant of it or not. You're saying she reacted to a fan poorly in the past so fuck her, she deserves to be attacked by thousands of trolls. It's really fucked up and I'm glad there are enough people here to see through you and call you out on it already.
     
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  15. AutopilotYears

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    Literally never said any of those things.
     
  16. Dominick

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    I’m With The Banned — Welcome to the Scream Room

    "What’s happening to this country has happened before, in other nations, in other anxious, violent times when all the old certainties peeled away and maniacs took the wheel. It’s what happens when weaponised insincerity is applied to structured ignorance. Donald Trump is the Gordon Gekko of the attention economy, but even he is no longer in control. This culture war is being run in bad faith by bad actors who are running way off-script, and it’s barely begun, and there are going to be a lot of refugees."
     
  17. Malatesta

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    That article is gutting
     
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  18. Dominick

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    To be clear, white supremacy is a global phenomenon. That it differs from place to place, interacts with local customs, different kinship formations, etc., we understand. This does not mean that ethnic conflicts that do not involve white people do not exist, it argues that the modern world, forged in the crucible of colonial power, has white supremacy as a constitutive element of its existence, as well as one of its structuring mechanisms. One of those mechanisms happens to be systemic violence against vulnerable people on a mass level. How that differs from a case in which someone was bullied for being white is that that violence is contingent, it is explicable. What characterizes much of the racial violence against colored bodies is that it is not contingent, it is random - in the sense that a black person can be considered a threat in any social circumstance and be murdered accordingly. The hallmark, therefore, isn't simply violence, it is the gratuitous expression of power through violence, economic and cultural dispossession, rape, humiliation, etc., all of which is intended to craft objects whose only role is to absorb the phenomenon as the default conditions of existence. A white child commits suicide, while sad, isn't inscribed in the consciousness of every white child as part and parcel of their identity; white farmers are killed by black people in South Africa, this is something the world frowns upon, but again, it is precisely that it is a tragedy that we understand that this isn't how it is supposed to be. In America, one has Black Lives Matters, whose name speaks to how it is taken for granted that black life is meant to not matter. Black life is supposed to be disposable and fungible. That is what we speak of when we refer to racism. These are the dynamics to which we refer, and there is no analog elsewhere because even the indigenous person, for example, has a history and a place to seek out. We cannot even name or seek out what was lost in the commodity trade of our bodies.
     
  19. Dominick

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