Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by Melody Bot, Jul 19, 2016.
Bullies are the real victims
One thing that I never see anyone addressing with this are the calls from Leslie herself for her followers to brigade people and also the derogatory and borderline racist stuff she has posted in the past and in response to this situation.
Obviously what was happening to her is wrong and disgusting, but she's not exactly innocent herself with some of this stuff.
Leslie Jones on Twitter: "@BeyondPhere I didn't someone hacked my Acc…
Leslie Jones on Twitter
Leslie Jones on Twitter
Leslie Jones on Twitter
Not trying to start a shit-fight, but this kind of shit would be called out in pretty much any other situation, including if people did that kind of thing here.
Borderline racist? Hm...
Besides the "get her" stuff which I agree is probably counter productive and not necessary, I don't see what you mean.
4 'Reverse Racism' Myths That Need To Stop
7 reasons why reverse racism doesn't exist
Also Conservative Milo Yiannopolous 'Permanently Banned' From Twitter watch between 3:30 and 4:30 mins.
How a racist, sexist hate mob forced Leslie Jones off Twitter | Fusion
You can't ignore the historical context of black people being called apes or mocked for their appearances. Nor can you equate singular questionable at best tweets from four years ago, to the targeted barrage of overtly sexist and racist tweets from a mass of Twitter users at the call of a relatively large twitter troll. It's just not the same.
*Including the sharing of faked tweets from her that paint her as antisemitic, homophobic, and illiterate, which were accepted as true
I'm going to have to disagree with you there, the idea that its impossible to be racist against white people is pretty ridiculous in my eyes. Like I said in my original post, I think the stuff Leslie said is borderline, I don't think its explicitly racist but at the same time I don't think its right to be saying shit like that on either side.
Either way, I think Milos is a piece of garbage, but encouraging brigading... one of the things he was explicitly banned for is exactly what she was doing.
Leslie ordered people to attack accounts with small followers and thus little to defend her. Also, it's not like Milo doesn't get hate for his homosexuality?
The whole "racism = prejudice + power" is a [flawed] American sociology theory that doesn't even work on an intercontinental social media site. It's only meant to be applied to North America according to Judith H.Katz who popularised the phrase in the 70s in her White Awareness book. Whites do not have "power" in specific regions, nevermind worldwide (ie Asia).
Anyone can be racist. That's according to the DEFINITION in EVERY LANGUAGE. Stop defending racists with a shield into thinking their "prejudice" is a-ok.
I already said this - I don't think inciting your followers to go after people is necessary at all.
Also, watch between 16:40-17:25. And nobody here is defending homophobia, but he's using his sexuality as an excuse to say "this is why people don't like me/why i'm being silenced" and it's not true.
I'm not able to find what the user tweeted at her, so i can't say. I'm not defending her, I just don't know the context, and I also am not inclined to be mad at her for wanting to respond in kind to folks when she's getting pictures of her face with semen on them.
I don't know why that matters at all. He shared fabricated tweets that pretended that Leslie had tweeted homophobic slurs at him. For a "journalist", not that I think he's remotely qualified to be regarded as one, that is a pathetic action and in the context of his having done plenty of this shit before as twitters board indicated, it is inexcusable.
That said, I don't think milo - who himself is openly homophobic, transphobic, and awful - is mistreated for his sexuality, certainly not more than other equally or less privileged queer people. He is a loathsome figure.
Exactly. People are defending her saying not to "victim blame" but she is accountable for some of her own actions.
Well, yes. It's obvious how Milo is presenting himself. I'm British and used to really enjoy watching him years back on Question Time tackling debates with actual facts not emotions. Whilst he's always been conservative and out-spoken, ever since he went to America and started endorsing Trump he just went too far-right to gain supporters. He just jumped on the bandwagon with supporting guns, islamophobia, and used his homosexuality as a scapegoat for everything to get right-wing support. It's like once you go to America everything seems more like a facade. He suddenly became overly egotistical because that's what got him immense support.
I wish I could be racist against white people. I try and try but alas... it is futile.
You call me a whitey, I go cry and reflect on the fact that economically, legally, and publicly, the deck is statistically stacked in my favor
Yeah, I'm not sure what the user said, but it's hard to feel sorry for someone for being "dogpiled" by trolls when they're doing the same thing. A lot of her responses seemed like she just wanted to go all out swinging, thus encouraging more trolls. There's no doubt some sick freaks out there, but there's not much you can do.
Yeah, he obviously did edge on harassment when he knew they were fake. I did feel bad for her naïvety to think someone had "hacked her". He did cross a line, no doubt about that. Twitter had every right to remove him.
Unfortunately that will only rally up more support for him.
Completely depends on where you live. For example, the farm attacks in South Africa.
Uh, but there was the whole apartheid thing. So I think there's still some benefit in being white there.
Not really justifiable to killing the poc race (white) there purely for the pigment of their skin today, is it? They're still experiencing racism.
But it's a short term, current response to a systemic, historical oppression. It's a matter of how you define "racism." a large number of users here and in the racism thread define it in a more restrictive sense than "prejudice." if someone judges me for being white, it may be prejudice. But if white people had been systemically subjugated, abused, and used for economic and legal exploitation, that would be racism, because it's broader and ingrained.
Britain's second youngest suicide ever was due to a nine year old boy bullied for being white in his school where 75% of people come from ethnic-minority backgrounds.
Boy, 9, found hanged 'was bullied for being white'
So how did that little boy posses this super-saiyan racial power from being white? Again, it's all regional/geographical. Even in the U.S, Detroit is approximately 83% black and 6% White. So in these social environments, they hardly posses much "power".