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Twin Peaks (ABC) TV Show • Page 63

Discussion in 'Entertainment Forum' started by Melody Bot, Jan 11, 2016.

  1. Dog with a Blog

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    Spoilers for The Dark Tower ahead

    This ending very much reminds me of the way in which The Dark Tower ends. Roland Deschain, our lead character, is on a mission to reach the tower and will stop at nothing to do so, even if that means all of those he loves dying due to his actions. Finally, in the final chapter of the last book we learn that Roland has reached the tower and that those who died are living in another dimension, basically. Then the book ends and Stephen King interjects and says, "look, you can stop here where everything is basically good or you can continue and read the epilogue and get our hero's true ending." So, of course, after all this time invested you continue and read the epilogue to find out that Roland actually enters the tower and ultimately finds his demise. He reaches the top of the tower only to realize that he's done all of this before countless times and that he is on a continuing cycle. Then he's thrust back to the beginning of the story and is now on a mission, once again, to reach the tower for the millionth time.

    I feel like episode 17 was Lynch's way of giving us (mostly) a happy ending. Then part 18 is offered as an epilogue and a true dose of reality.
     
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  2. CellarGhosts

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    Just now watched it and my brain has never been more twisted and melted and full of fuck

    Goddamn
     
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  3. Morrissey

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    I am watching Fire Walk With Me now. Why does Laura do cocaine right before going to bed?
     
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  4. CellarGhosts

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    So would I be wrong in assessing the use of recycled scenes from the pilot as mostly being a way to squeeze in homages to Jack Nance/Pete and Josie? Granted, it tied into Cooper's apparent attempt to prevent Laura's death, but since we really just needed the shot of her body disappearing from the shore, that's what it felt like to me. By no means a bad thing, just how I interpreted it.
     
  5. CellarGhosts

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    Anyway, after mulling it over, my interpretation of part 18 is that Cooper, in attempting (and failing) to rewrite history and prevent Laura's death, inadvertently created a parallel world that was, as a whole, a sort of "tulpa" for our reality. In bringing Laura back to "her" house, he shatters the illusion of this world and Carrie!Laura is merged with the "real" Laura as the worlds merge, completing the cycle and restoring the natural order. The names of the current residents (Tremond) and its previous owner (Chalfont) are both names used by the elderly woman lodge spirit and her companion. (They were the ones Donna encountered during her Meals on Wheels stint, where the boy was played by Lynch's son, and then appeared in FWWM where the older woman gave Laura the painting, and were the residents in the Fat Trout trailer park).

    These spirits were probably acting as gatekeepers (for lack of a better term) of the Palmer house, which is the focal point between the two realities. (see: "one chants out between two worlds" maybe???). Cooper was likely never meant to enter this reality, and in doing so, fractured the "tupla" world. The lights in the house blowing out signified the collapse of this dream world and the cyclical nature of the Lodge's influence on the world. BOB may be defeated, but the Lodges and their influence still exist. Beyond that I haven no fucking clue and even all this is just me spitballing haha.
     
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  6. Morrissey

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    I would say so. Plus Leo.
     
  7. CobraKidJon

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    I'm playing this game called life is strange and there are so many references/easter eggs to twin peaks that it makes me happy.
     
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  8. Dog with a Blog

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    Amazing game. The score is beautiful
     
  9. CobraKidJon

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    I'm on the last episode and everything has been amazing.
     
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  10. Loved part 17 for sure. I still think 16 is the highlight of this series overall, but 17 is right there too. Everything about it was nearly flawless but yeah, didn't feel "real" towards the end there and that's when the questions began. Okay, not bad so far. However 18, I just don't know. I myself love a lot of Lynch's work. Even though the last episode before the return ended on a cliffhanger, those two finale episodes were also highlight episodes. But as some people have said, that finale just made me depressed. I'll need to do a rewatch, but man did it fucking drag. I get it, I do. I adore his work as much as any Lynch fan, but if this really is the end (which really, who the fuck knows except Lynch and Frost), then that's about as anti-climatic as it gets for me. Just even MORE questions with no answers that we won't ever get. Incredibly frustrating and I see his point, but this story needs to be continued. He got us hooked again, reeled us in, pulled us out and just tossed us right back in the water. Just kinda destroyed my soul in the end. I appreciate the work, but man I don't know how I feel about it still. Damn you Lynch.
     
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  11. CellarGhosts

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    Haha, this is....kind of where I'm at? I don't know. I really don't. I wouldn't say I hated it at all, or that it even felt anti-climactic but I do sort of feel like I've been punched in the gut. I'll see how I feel after I've had a week or two (or however fucking long it takes lol) to digest this.
     
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  12. I agree with that. I'll let it digest a week and rewatch it and see how I really feel haha. That's his style and I'm cool with it on his movies, but on a show where you were invested in this world and the characters for so long, it hurts man.
     
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  13. CellarGhosts

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    Man, I know everyone is saying there won't be a season four and, as per certain people's opinion, that there SHOULDN'T be one but...I really want one. Haha. But even then it's not so much for resolution's sake but just so we get more Twin Peaks. I know it's an entitled attitude to have but man, even 18 hours just wasn't enough for me lol.

    Plus it seems weird to me that Audrey's storyline just sort of ended where it did. That actually is bothering me more than anything else, ha. Unless there's a more concrete answer buried throughout the different roadhouse scenes that someone will be able to play connect the dots with now that the series has concluded.
     
  14. OotyPa Sep 4, 2017
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    OotyPa

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    I feel like Audrey's ending plays a big role in the story's ending, at least thematically. My thoughts: Big superimposed coop in part 17 is the coop who spent 25 years in the black lodge. He is literally watching his life happen. He is watching this play out. And at points, the timelines merge (if youve seen it, this sequence reminds me of the scene in inland empire when laura dern looks across the room and sees herself two days later). "We live inside a dream," coop says with the utmost blunt melancholy ive ever heard in my life, completely shattering my heart.

    Im not saying that coop/laura is dreaming the ending from the lodge, or its a separate reality, though i think those theories are on track... i just know reality is flimsy. We watch television and fall into a dream-- remember the couple watching the portal? Remember Sarah Palmer watching television? Our interpretations of the world create the world we live in-- whether that means we see through the wrong side of binoculars like Jerry, or we dream it altogether like Audrey. Also idk im really just reeling from that finale. Just watched it and im currently mindblown
     
  15. CobraKidJon

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    lol episode 5 of life is strange is just a twin peaks episode at this point.
     
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  16. OotyPa

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  17. Dog with a Blog

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    I really don't like thinking about the fact that David Lynch is in his 70's :/
     
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  19. Bryan Diem

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    As much as I like the idea of the ending and think it adds something monumental to the entire series as a whole, I wasn't too taken with the first 40 minutes or so.
     
  20. ncarrab

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    It's honestly impossible to summarize how I felt about this entire Return series. I'm a pretty big Lynch fan. Loved the OG Twin Peaks and Blue Velvet and Lost Highway are two of my favorite films ever and I enjoy most of his other work. At times, the Return was fantastic, more times than not for me (even as a big Lynch fan), it was frustrating. However, I expected it to be frustrating so it was easier to digest I guess, haha.

    I really did enjoy the final three episodes though. Much more than the first 15, to be honest. I didn't mind the ending, in fact, I think it's really haunting and something I'll think about for a long, long time.
     
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  21. chris

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    I do however like to think about how great David Lynch's hair is for a man in his 70s
     
  22. OotyPa Sep 5, 2017
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    OotyPa

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    "We are like the dreamer who then lives inside the dream. But who is the dreamer?"

    I found the finale as a whole to be confounding and mesmerizing, much like Lynch's later films. I personally can't stop thinking about the entire lead-into, and the awful awful feeling of "Wait, what year is it?" once it finally happens. I gotta say, I'm not sure if I feel more for Laura/Carrie in that moment or for Coop. Then that scream again, my lord.

    I also read an interesting interpretation of the Diane/Coop sex scene-- a reversal of the horrifying rape she endured, and maybe the very process that integrates their identities into another timeline. After all, Lynch has a fascination with sex being a profound, strange, sometimes transformative, and identity-defining experience (see the sex scene in front of the portal, also Blue Velvet and that weiiiird masturbation scene in Mulhoulland Drive). Something also interesting is that the song playing over the scene is the same song played during the "This is the water, this is the well" sequence.

    A few random thoughts:

    - That scene with Sarah Palmer and Laura's photo is terribly disturbing.
    - Did we ever get a follow-up on that strange "sick" child in the passenger seat of that woman's car Bobby looks into?
    - I read something that adds weight to that Wally scene early on. Remember how Frank's wife's chastisement is actually a projection of the loss of their son, who committed suicide after serving in the military? Note the camera's focusing on Frank's face as he leaves Andy, Lucy, and Wally behind him. It's the perfect nuclear family he will never have.
    - Does anyone know why Sarah had the ability to kill that dude at the bar?
    - I'm really interested in hearing what people think about what's going on with Audrey?
    - What's the deal with the woman who screamed "139" or something across Dougie's house? In fact, can someone try to explain all the different numbers this season?
     
  23. OotyPa

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    The only reason I can think is, she's really addicted to cocaine.
     
  24. Were there any owls in this
     
  25. chris

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    heh, I was just thinking about this the other day and I actually don't think there were any this season