I had floor tickets for the Cleveland show in October and showed up at 8:15 pm and felt like I could have gotten anywhere on the floor if I really tried. At one point I just casually walked to probably 10-15 feet away from the stage barricade. Boggles my mind when people line up for shows before doors open. People move around between sets, get drinks, go to the bathroom, go smoke. I almost always show up to shows 20-30 minutes before the headliner and never have a problem getting a very good spot on the floor and again, if I desired, could easily get extremely close to stage if not all the way up front.