Turnover Band • Page 5

Oh my god, just shut up. I addressed it already, now I want to ALSO talk about the music.

 

Top 3 would have to be Diazepam, Dizzy on the Comedown and Hello Euphoria

 

There's no reason for this. Everyone's addressed it already, now let people talk about music if they want to without imposing your own fucking line in the sand on everyone else.

 

I'm not! Anyone can listen but trying to change the topic and trying to shut people up talking about it is harmful! Talk about what you want but don't get on others for talking about this

 

this is a lost cause, bud. someone in this thread literally said it only matters if "every member of the band is an abuser"

one or two? eh!

 

oh, i know it is a lost cause. but it's not going to prevent me from continuing to bring these things up as long as things are unresolved.

 

seriously though, there's a way for people who think that they can separate the person from the art and those who can't to coexist without those who think it's not a big deal to try to change the conversation.

 

What fucking resolution do you want?

 

overall? the band to kick out the member, make a statement on why it's so bad, and make it an important part of their band's internal DNA to make sure they talk about the harms of emotional abuse

though at this case they've shrugged it off for so long that that'd be hard to do

 

honestly there might even be a way for him to just make a statement himself and have it work without him having the leave the band, but i think at this point since it's been so long and i'm sure he's seen it that wouldn't work out well

 

I agree what he did was abusive. Not the most egregious example, but not good either.
I agree that the band should confront that like adults and attempt to be better people.

I agree that it affects my image of the band and imagine it does for others. Specifically those dealing with similar situations.

I disagree entirely that everyone needs too draw that same line in the sand.
We can't determine someone's relationship to the art or how they choose to interpret the surrounding circumstances of the art.

We shouldn't grandstand and tell people they need to be aware every single time they try and talk about the music. They have the right to come to their own conclusion.

 

i can agree with that. the part i have the biggest problem is when people are like "can we move on and talk about the music???" like they're trying to get that discussion to stop. that's the harmful thing here.

 

especially when "name your five favorite songs by a band where most of their songs sound pretty much the same" is not a more vital conversation

 

I think that is assumptive.
If more information was released or their was a statement by the band, I think a lot of people would be interested in a dialogue.

Currently, we are talking about static facts that have been discussed a lot in this forum and others.
Users seem to not want to belabor the same points and would rather talk About the music until the status of the situation changes.

 

it wasn't randomly brought up though. someone posted about how there were rumors that eric left the band and that's how this discussion started again.

asking people to "move on and talk about something else" just because someone is feeling uncomfortable when negative things are brought up about a band you like and you are justifying why it doesn't matter (as people have done in this thread) is not good. there's a way to musically discuss without silencing others

 

It's not uncomfortable from my personal standpoint...people just want to talk about the music. That's not being dismissive. Go ahead and talk about it with someone who wants to talk about it.

 

There are a lot of assumptions in your above post.
I don't think I'm going to sway you on this and that's okay.

 

Nice lineup here.

 

Serious question.

Do you know the victim, perpetrator, memebers of the band, families involved or anything like that, or you trying to advocate for sexual assault victims here?

None of the posters are doing anything wrong here trying to discuss Turnover songs in a Music forum. It's ok to make people aware of what seems to have happened. It's ok for people to discuss thoughts on the band. Someone had a good question. But people can make their own decisions on whether or not they still want to listen to this band, even if they are informed.

It's good to know people care. I think a few people are just interested in discussing more than just what you want to discuss. Don't take it personally

 

I literally made that post because things were getting to a pretty personal level and I had already said what I had to say. Everyone else is free to discuss whatever they want, I just wanted to be able to talk about the music whilst you all had this conversation.

 

Yea it's criminal to talk about music on a site dedicated to music.

 

And for the record, I have nothing against @cwhit and I've agreed with many of their points. I've just said what I need to say and made my position clear. If others want to have that discussion then I'm perfectly okay with that, unlike what they clearly assumed I am fine with them being criticised, I just wanted to be able to talk about some of the music that has impacted my life and don't want personal comments about "my case" (as if I need to justify this) being made because of it.

 

Let's keep up the music talk. My whole reason for looking in this thread with hope people were discussing when this band will release something new again. They seem to work at a quick rate, and as we were talking about before, I'm curious if they are going to do another dreamy sounding record.

 

Haven't they recorded with Will Yip again?

I'd imagine it will be a progression from PV. I think the two song EP is probably indicative that they aren't done with that sound and will keep the quality up. Change Irreversible in particular was great and I'd be happy if they kept the sound, although maybe with a few more quick songs like Take My Head, which they have been closing sets with lately, would be great.

 

I'm hoping that they stay dreamy, but add a little technicality to their songs. I mean, basic is good and it's obviously worked for them, but I feel like they have more to offer.