Tour Prediction and Speculation Thread [ARCHIVED] Tour • Page 798

Having them on the tour was a moose dud to begin with. :/

 

Metric 2019 tour dates:

MON 11 FEBRUARY – House of Blues – ClevelandCleveland, OH, US
WED 13 FEBRUARY – House of Blues – BostonBoston, MA, US
THU 14 FEBRUARY – Fillmore PhiladelphiaPhiladelphia, PA, US
FRI 15 FEBRUARY – The Fillmore Silver SpringSilver Spring, MD, US
MON 18 FEBRUARY – Kings TheatreBrooklyn, NY, US
THU 21 FEBRUARY – The NationalRichmond, VA, US
FRI 22 FEBRUARY – Marathon Music WorksNashville, TN, US
SUN 24 FEBRUARY – The TabernacleAtlanta, GA, US
TUE 26 FEBRUARY – Aztec TheatreSan Antonio, TX, US
THU 28 FEBRUARY – Revention Music CenterHouston, TX, US
FRI 1 MARCH – Southside BallroomDallas, TX, US
SAT 2 MARCH – Moody TheaterAustin, TX, US
MON 4 MARCH – The Van BurenPhoenix, AZ, US
TUE 5 MARCH – Cal Coast Credit Union Open Air TheatreSan Diego, CA, US
WED 6 MARCH – Hollywood PalladiumHollywood, CA, US
SAT 9 MARCH – House of Blues – AnaheimAnaheim, CA, US
SUN 10 MARCH – The Chelsea, The Cosmopolitan of Las VegasLas Vegas, NV, US
MON 11 MARCH – Riverside Municipal AuditoriumRiverside, CA, US
WED 13 MARCH – The MasonicSan Francisco, CA, US
FRI 15 MARCH – McMenamin’s Crystal BallroomPortland, OR, US
SAT 16 MARCH – The Moore TheatreSeattle, WA, US
MON 18 MARCH – The DepotSalt Lake City, UT, US
WED 20 MARCH – The Fillmore AuditoriumDenver, CO, US

 

Moose Blood just put a post up on Facebook. Sounds like they’re “taking some time off” as they are sick of dealing with the allegations... hope the door hits them on their way out.

 

so sad Alexa play Bye Bye Bye by *NSYNC

 

I memorize all of them but I realize that's insane

 

Social media posts or by memory.

 

lmao this is also me. And then a new show gets announced and I'm scrambling through the recesses of my brain to remember if I'm already going to a show that day

 

counterpoint: Fuck Moose Blood

 

This is the rare time that outcry actually worked and got men to face consequences for their actions (before anyone lists people who got kicked out/off/broke up to me, I can probably list ten more who didn’t) and not being able to play music when you’ll still be able to find other work and live an overall healthy life is something many victims will never be able to do. Victims are still blacklisted from the industry even when they’re right and proven 100% to be telling the truth in every unnecessary hoop the industry forces then to jump through. So like, fuck moose blood

 

If you "know nothing" about the situation, isn't the logical answer to say nothing? Making "we don't have evidence" posts is the opposite of supporting someone that says "this asshole shared nude photos of me without my permission."

Oh, and fuck all of this:

 

I am glad Moose Blood made a statement and stood by their innocence and beliefs. They are not in the music scene to make money or share nudes. If anyone on this forum had actually met any of the members and chatted with them, you would very clearly see that. I am a big fan of that band and I want to see them succeed.

When people go to see a band live, a fraction of the audience is probably thinking of allegations that get mentioned. Like who goes to a concert, sees a band without knowing ANYTHING but a rumor and thinks "man those guys share underage nudes apparently? How rad, fuck those guys" without at least listening to said band before making an opinion?

This issue happened to With Confidence last fall and after taking a break got onto Warped and released a pretty good pop punk record. Moose Blood should certainly recover from this.

I'm pretty aware I'll probably get slammed by people for supporting them but let's be real, there are much bigger pieces of shit in the music scene that posters on this forum support so don't get hypocritical.

 

we really hit apologist bingo here with: i know them from chatting with them after a show, clearly more than the women who got assaulted by them, you should listen to the music and maybe throw ethics out the window for generic pop punk music (though i wouldn't care if it WAS something revolutionary or good in any way), and whataboutisms. the women abused are always footnotes in mens success stories or even seen as a necessary sacrifice

 

uh yeah this ain't it chief

 

lol at some of these comments

 

Sorry y'all. Thanks for calling me out on what I said sounding shitty. I swear I didn't mean it to be contrary to people's personal experiences, or supportive of abusive individuals.

Let me just rephrase:
-If we support victims unequivocally, why do I hear so much more negative statements about the accused than details about the situation?

-Why do we assume that alleged abusers are always boldface lying when addressing alleged abuse? Like obviously people in power lie, but at a certain point should we have sympathy or no?

-How can we be more accountable about looking at the details of abuse allegations without being dismissive by "asking for evidence"?

-Why do we have faith in a scene that cherry picks the consequences of bad behavior? When so many Neck Deep fans are saying "Fuck Moose Blood" doesn't that raise red flags?

-How can we morally cope with being a part of such a negative, dismal, toxic scene that supposedly cares about social justice and mental health when more and more of the dark ugly shows itself?

None of those questions are meant to be contrary, or to minimize the situation as it stands. I just want to know how you all deal with this all, because I struggle with it a lot. So please give me the benefit of the doubt. (But of course, call me the fuck out if I said some insensitive BS again)

 

Moose blood is the pop punk band breaking up

Good

 

Now please give us back Polar Bear Club

 

I think it’s fair to say without at least some semblance of proof we can’t make the assumption that those accused definitely did what they’re accused of. BUT, the issue with the whole “innocent until proven guilty” rhetoric just puts victims into a box of “we heard what you said but a lot of people think it’s bullshit”.

 

This is a discussion I think would be good for the accountability in music thread in the music forum specifically if you want a nuanced conversation, although i think these convos can and should take place anywhere, but here are some quick answers

1) im a little confused about this question but a lot of time the victims don't want to entirely be in the public eye, they just want their abusers out of the public eye so no one else will be a victim. Especially because the more they're named or shared if they're already hesitant, the more it opens up for people to come harass them. It is very case by case, and I know the victim is active on social media and pretty accessible in this situation but it also makes me worried to name on this forum when other people have talked about what good guys they are

2) Maybe they abusers aren't lying in that they didn't perceive it to be that way or didn't recognize the harm in the behaviors, but then that's more reason they shouldn't have a platform. They then need to go through the process of recognizing hurt inflicted so that they don't do it again, rather than get excused. They were proved to be a danger on their platform, and they now need to be removed and have this handled with a personal and capable support system and not in a public eye. That is giving them the benefit of the doubt that /maybe/ they didn't mean it maliciously or fully examine or think about their behaviors, and that's still a pretty generous benefit of the doubt. The reason so many of us are pessimistic about it is because of how many experiences people, specifically women, people of color, and lgbt people, have with wolves in sheeps clothing. Most false allegations made in right mind are due to the person experiencing some kind of assault and giving a different/more "severe" story because they were worried they wouldn't be taken seriously, or racism

3) Once again I'm not 100% sure what you mean, but first consider why you are asking it at all and what you are asking. If you're just wondering what is happening, just ask if anyone has shared anything, what has been said, just generally trying to figure out whats been publicly stated. After that it's more case by case depending on what has been shared and what the victim wants done going forward, unless there's something your actually confused by but im hesitant to say that because people pretend they're "investigating" in good faith when they're not (when the brand new stories broke and a victim said something happened over skype as a name all for video chat, and then people started investigating skype technology timelines. that does not need to happen)

4) I really and many of us don't have faith. as a said above, this is a very rare instance that something was actually done and it took waaaaaaay too long. Mostly action is only taken by the industry itself when it becomes a money loss or PR nightmare. I do not have any faith in a industry that mirrors and is not separate from societal systematic oppression to do this effectively.

5) This is a struggle I still have, day to day, and mostly it's trying to figure out a personal system for trust that we continuously update, as well as try to diversify the art we ingest. This is not bulletproof, but overall if you look into and work with general spaces that focus on fighting this in general/leftist spaces, and try to translate this into music. It's hard because with music so much depends on environment factors (where you are location wise, how much money is involved, the type of people performing it, etc.) and it is not one coherent place. I have a lot of thoughts on this but it is....not gonna translate perfectly into this platform so the short version is: continuing to translate activist ideals into the entertainment industry, work on giving voices to more than just cishet white men, develop different ways of educating. The biggest problem is how people will continue to adapt the "correct" language and seem fine when they're really the same predatory people we complain about now, and have diet wokeness because it keeps them out of controversy and gets people to trust them more, and therefore they have more people to abuse.

 

The thing I couldn’t help but laugh at in Moose Blood’s post was that they straight-up said “we are decent, genuine people.”

Like, yeah, you THINK you are. But are you really?...

(Spoiler: THEY AREN’T)

 

I can't believe there's been this big of a kerfuffle about a dime a dozen pop punk band like Moose Blood. LoL.

 

Louder Than Life cancelled due to flooding

 

What on earth does the size of the band have to do with any allegations against them?

 

I can't believe anybody would call them a pop-punk band. But seriously... They're a relatively popular act (which is confusing to me). Fuck them, though. For serious.

Yeesh. That's an unfortunate situation... That makes two festivals cancelled due to flooding this year, right? That and the Phish one. The festival bubble burst and leaked all over everything.