Discussion in 'Music Forum' started by Melody Bot, Jan 9, 2016.
Oh shit that cover is great
For a long time, I couldn't quite put my finger on it, but you've nailed it. The delivery just doesn't click for me that much. Not a criticism or anything, but I had been struggling to figure out why I haven't connected with the new material and this is a large part of it (among other things I suppose).
I still love the band. Thought Sister Cities was really good. The almost-crying vocals do irk me though. And I don't think they do the band any favours in general. I have a friend who loved the trilogy but had kind of drifted from TWY. I span Sister Cities for him and he asked straight away why Soupy sounded like he was sobbing the whole time. My wife asked the same thing. (To be more specific, she'd always happily listened to TWY with me without actually getting into the band. But when I put on Sister Cities she was instantly like "what is this sad boy music?" I told her it was TWY and she asked why he sang like that now.)
I hope others feel differently. Obviously Soupy likes the sound because he seems to be sticking with it. The rest of the band seems happy with it too. In my expierence, it has been an alienating choice for long-time and more casual fans.
I'd noticed, but I didn't think it was much of an issue.
I think if he tried to sing Sister Cities songs in the style of the Upsides it would have sounded really awkward. I don't think he sounds like he's crying or about to cry, just using his voice to carry the weight of emotions he's feeling.
If you can listen to Cigarettes & Saints without getting emotional, you are a robot.
A perfect song. Their best. Top 5 song of the decade. And the vocal sells it brilliantly. Packed with emotion but not in the newer style way.
I recall Ian Cohen writing (paraphrasing here) that Sister Cities achieved what Cigarettes and Saints couldn't. I have no idea how somebody could think that
Ian Cohen has nothing but the worst opinions lol, christ
I do think, as wholes, that Sister Cities accomplished what they wanted to do with No Closer To Heaven
NCTH is held back by the mix, which is a shame as it features some of their best stuff.
I never really agree with 100% of what any critic says, so I don't hold it against Ian for having that (stupid) opinion.
to me, No Closer to Heaven is their best album and its not even close, but that's a wildly unpopular opinion. I don't even mind the production that much.
NCTH is my favorite from them too but SS comes really close
NCTH definitely has my favorite TWY songs. It is the album I return to the most from their discography for sure. Sister Cities never really clicked for me like it has for some.
Pretentious opinion: Cigarettes and Saints is the defining example of the "post-pop-punk" sound TWY were heading towards across No Closer to Heaven and Sister Cities
Suburbia is still my favourite, followed by TGG. Upsides is third purely for nostalgia, and NCTH beats Sister Cities quite easily for me.
I do wish NCTH had a better mix, but I really do love a bunch of the songs on there regardless.
Yeah I don't either, it just befuddles me. A lot of people here dislike Ian but he's done a lot to introduce this scene to the tastemaker crowds (Pitchfork etc). When TWY trilogy dropped there was absolutely no chance Pitchfork would have run a review. Now I'd be shocked if they didn't review a new album by a major band from this scene. That's not always for the best, but if it can help legitimise bands in the eyes of music consumers, festival promoters etc it is surely beneficial to these artists we love.
TGG checking in. Best pop-punk album of the last decade.
glad that people really love NCTH! It's my least favorite of theirs! I think it's amazing that a band can be so consistent that they have fans with every album as their favorite!
I'd love a remixed/remastered NCTH but I'm also very down for more Burst & Decay style reworks.
Crazy to me that some people don’t like Sister Cities. Far and away their best collection of songs.
Sister Cities owns but the departure in sound could be challenging to a lot of their fans, I get it. pop punk is a weird genre like that, people going outside of it always risk alienating fans, even if their music does get better.
Didn’t realize Sister Cities was much of a departure in their sound to some
Can't wait to get my hands on Burst and Decay II. Really love the songs they chose for it.
I preface this ranking with the fact that I absolutely adore every record in its own way. All but one was my album of the year the year it was released, and I wouldn't change that now. The sole exception being Sister Cities, which I ranked at #2 simply because Spanish Love Songs' "Schmaltz" knocked me off my feet the way The Upsides did in 2010. Still, that's more of a tie to me than anything, especially given my ranking of Sister Cities.
The Greatest Generation
Suburbia: I've Given You All and Now I'm Nothing
No Closer to Heaven
I could flip Suburbia and NCTH on any given day.
I didn't rank Get Stoked On It here because I essentially treat it the way the band does. It would be a distant #6.