On one hand Santos is right there’s no doubt about that but damn are they making me dislike her lol. Everyone was soooo on edge even without the ICE factor
I think everyone worrying about Robbie has been a misdirect. I'm more worried about Mohan. Or maybe Al-Hashimi. Robbie giving Mohan the worst pep talks, something else for him to feel guilty about. Or not noticing Al-Hashimi is struggling too. She reacted when he said people respond to trauma differently. Plus the therapist not getting back to her and her disassociation moments. I think we are definitely losing someone, it's being foreshadowed, but it's just a matter of who.
Langdon came off far worse than Santos in their scene. I was pretty surprised how much he played up his own suffering when he did get off essentially scot-free. Catching a break like that but not being willing to just acknowledge it to one of the few people who knows about it is odd. Santos may have her own self-centered motivations about it but Langdon really should be thanking her for not snitching when she really should have. Lawyers have ethics rules about being required to report other lawyers when they know about certain kinds of ethical violations, and I have to imagine the same is true for doctors. It wouldn’t surprise me if Santos herself (and potentially Robby if she learns that he’s the one who directed Santos) end up in hot water with Al-Hashemi for helping cover up another doctor’s criminal/unethical actions
Eh they both came off terribly not really a better or worse. I do think it’ll have more negative effects on Langdon though with Al-hashimi overhearing
The show is just so effective. They want you to root for Langdon but also that was a terrible apology for her and the show (and Santos) are right to see through it.
Santos only came off bad in the context that we as the audience know she is more self-motivated than anything else. Like that it comes more from a place of her own insecurity + resentment and dislike of Langdon than from any sort of neutral objective perspective. But she still ends up in the same place that a “neutral” person would, which is: Langdon wants to act like he repented and suffered accordingly, but we all know that he really didn’t. Imagine if someone, because of their addiction issues, was mean and abusive to you, and then when they got sober, they acknowledge and apologize for that. But what you don’t know is that they also once stole your car and got away with it without you ever realizing that they were the ones to steal it. If they never own up to all of their past bad actions against you, then they are lying not just to you but to themselves about taking accountability.
It’s established that Santo’s was abused as a child, so Langdon is another example of a male authority figure getting away with something with essentially no consequences. She’s abrasive in how she goes about everything, but she’s also usually right (she’s right in this case too). Langdon also didn’t seem to apologize for the right thing. It’s not just that he was an asshole, it was him lying and abusing his privilege as a doctor.
He apologized to Louie personally, but Louie isn’t the arbiter of when/how a doctor suffers professional consequences for their unethical actions. Louie may be the most *direct* victim of his actions, but the ripple effect of them extend beyond him. Maybe he would have accepted his fate and owned up to it more broadly if Louie had said “I’m going to report you.” But Louie didn’t, and Langdon has now made it pretty clear from this scene that he feels that he has suffered a sufficient amount even though, again, he absolutely got away with a felony that would have cost him his reputation and license. Atoning for your past wrongdoings includes accepting the consequences that come with them. Langdon simply hasn’t done that. What he has done is *good*, but even he presumably knows deep down that it’s only a half-measure
Wondering now if whatever happened in Santos’ childhood was drug related even. Like maybe that trauma additionally came from someone who was using, or something like that
Wonder outside of the immediate moment after if there will be any additional consequences of Robby ripping into that ICE agent
Mr Noah Wyle awfully anti-ice for a zionist. Wish that wasn't so at the front of my mind this whole episode!
On some level like whatever I'm not boycotting everything with a zionist in it it's just extra frustrating when the show is also like look how progressive we are on other fronts. Anyway. Really good ep. Feels like everyone is on the verge of total breakdown. I'm glad Santos finally said it because she's right and it's less annoying when she just comes out and says it than when she was doing the passive aggressive thing. Langdon doesn't get it still. I feel bad for Mel, as right as Dana is that it isn't about her, as someone who has done unpaid care work for a family member I can only imagine how bad it would be to feel so abandoned like that, which I think is a valid feeling. And that ending...
I love that this show made me root for Langdon's redemption all season and just one scene make me like "damn this dude still has his head up his ass when comes to acknowledging his own privilege"
idk though. when Santos said something to the effect of "I'll forgive you only when you tell everyone you stole drugs" - how would that benefit the situation at all?
It's the consequence he should have faced in the first place. It's not really about benefit, it's about absolving her of the guilt of knowing and not saying anything.
I need a psych person to confirm what is going on this Ogilvie. I definitely don't think he is on the spectrum like Mel. Is dude a psychopath? People on the spectrum can appear superficiality to be unempathetic sometimes, but are often deeply emphatic internally they just have trouble expressing it. People with psychopathy are truly unempathetic internally, but try to mask that outwardly with a superficial ego.
hm. I definitely don't think he's a psychopath LOL. more likely, the ER is just not the right placement for him.
Because it’s what he actually did and hasn’t faced consequences over. Everyone else thinks he’s done the right steps, but (besides Garcia) they don’t know what he actually did that was much worse than simply having an addiction. Santos may have her own selfish motivations for it, but she is correct that his entire redemption/apology tour is essentially a facade Also to be clear - I think Langdon seems like one of the best doctors in the show. He’s definitely a better doctor (both in knowledge and in work/patient relationships) than Santos. So the world of the Pitt probably *would* be a better place if he got to stay as a doctor as long as he stays sober. But I do think Robby has the ultimately correct position of: I’m happy that you’re better, but I can’t trust you again and don’t want you working here. Like imagine Langdon just worked a cash register at Walmart or whatever. If management learned that he was stealing money or merch then he would be fired on the spot lol. Stealing a client’s meds - literally the difference between them being healthy/happy or not — is 1000x worse than that. And Louie’s situation is the only time he was *caught*! Who knows how many times he might have gotten away with it before lol
re: Ogilvie, just saw this, fwiw . I could sort of see it this way. (he still drives me fuckin nuts lol)
Ogilvie just seems sheltered more than anything. Probably excelled academically but has no social skills or understanding of how the real world and real people operate.
I didn't hear that about Wyle, I did hear that the actress that plays Garcia is a huge zionist though.