Who has proposed changing everything about Star Wars? There are very basic flaws in the plots of the movies, especially the prequels, that people have known and talked about since the movies came out. What a bizarre view to treat Star Wars of all things like some holy grail of storytelling. If all you want to do is see and give unconditional praise then why even go on a forum to discuss something in the first place?
Lmao this thread really is hilarious a lot of the time. Imagine being critical of something you otherwise enjoy. What a heinous crime.
There are nuggets of ideas in the prequels that, regardless of how they were executed, are great and could have been made into something very good: -A dictatorship arising from a trade conflict that escalates into a war, at which point the government feels pressured to increasingly give greater authority to a single position -The Jedi being incredibly incompetent/arrogant and being just as responsible for the creation of Darth Vader as Sidious is -scary guy with spikes on his head and a dual-sided lightsaber
I wonder if my fiancee feels the same way about star wars that I feel about her pride and prejudice fanfics
My wife likes star wars so it's been fun going through the shows with her because she had never seen them. She's into marvel movies which I am not so it's tough for me to sit through them with her.
Re: the Rey “nobody” talk from a few pages back... I feel like I’m the only one who never took Kylo’s declaration as serious. My assumption was he actually had zero clue if her parents were “somebodies” or “nobodies”, and he was just being cruel for the sake of trying to mess with Rey’s head and create conflict in he head so that she would maybe be more vulnerable to being turned to the dark side. That’s probably why her being a Palpatine never really bothered me the way it bothered others.
Lol didn’t say it fixed the entire plot line but I just found it weird that so many people assumed Kylo Ren was telling the truth there. The whole 2nd movie he’s trying to convince Rey to join him, i assumed he’d say anything to make it easier for him to manipulate her.
The bad takes about Rey’s lineage should not be polluting this thread. This thread is for the good Star War.
This thread has mostly consisted of bad takes the last few pages from the same users in every Star Wars thread
Filoni has the prequels explained to him by Lucas so he has a better idea of what he was going for. Doesn’t mean the movies are any good
Outside of any discussion of what the best creative choice would’ve been (which I can’t do without sincere-posting about space wizards in a way I’m not in the mood for today, lol)... The Last Jedi, itself, makes it explicitly clear that Kylo Ren is telling the truth. Or, at the very least, believes himself to be doing so. Contextually, both characters are acting super vulnerable in that scene. Their emotions, behavior, words, etc., clearly paint a picture of sincerity & desperation. They’re both rejecting versions of what they had previously held true in order to carve their own way forward, & they both see something of themselves in each other, & they’re both tragically wrong about what path the other is walking towards. Kylo in particular is explicitly shown to be vulnerable & honest to a fault. A lot of his arc up to that point is him wrestling within himself & (except in a moment where it mattered against the arrogant Snoke) being very bad at hiding it. In fact, the one place where his sincerity is called into question, it’s in order to compare him favorably to Luke in that regard. Rise of Skywalker’s “reveal” was a clear retcon, & a sharper turn than any decision in the “expectation subverting” Last Jedi. One many of us expected from Abrams, but a sharp, story-breaking one nonetheless.
Agreed, the ones whose only take is “all criticism should be stifled” really bring the whole thread down
I really wish TROS had Kylo as the main baddy instead of re-introducing Palpatine. TLJ set him up perfectly to be a machine of absolute chaos and anger that challenged both Rey and Hux. We sorta got that, but it was the Great Value version of it.