The Mandalorian (Disney+) TV Show • Page 128

why? is the star wars universe really that small?

 

Oh for sure. They’re relying solely on people who know the gravity of that storyline from Clone Wars being able to tell everyone who doesn’t know how big of a deal it is. They haven’t done any of the work to really set up the weight of that conflict on this show at all. Which is a problem.

 

But at this time period the two groups bring explored, Mandalorians and Jedi were not large at all.

 

Not it’s because the characters being used have such a huge impact on the story. You can’t just cut them off or it wouldn’t flow naturally.

 

Like I said, that makes the universe quite small if the people in it can't have their own impactful stories that don't involve certain characters.

 

I loved Boba Fett and Luke and all of it, I'm easy to please. The cheapest date to the prom, if you will.

 

I don’t see how that makes it small. The Star Wars story telling has always catered around certain individuals and it still feels massive. The Skywalker Family has had a hand in with the fate of the Galaxy for decades, why would it stop now? Especially when a new Jedi (Grogu) is a central character.

 

Going "Boba Fett is important enough that another story can't exist without him being a part of it" definitely diminishes the scope of the universe.

Sure, you've got to give viewers something familiar to hook on to. Which is why I don't mind as much revisiting places like Tatooine -- its a useful way to expand the universe by adding new characters and new locations while still letting people have a familiar reference point. But those reference points should be used sparingly.

While from the perspective of the movies, "The Skywalker Family has had a hand in with the fate of the Galaxy for decades". But season 1 seemed to suggest that the movies painted a false perspective: despite their importance of the movies, the Jedi are a legend even a well seasoned bounty hunter hadn't heard of. So were they really that impactful?

S1 made me feel like you could have thousands of other similar stories happening across the galaxy. But if you can't have a story worth telling without someone like Boba Fett showing up... there are only so many Boba Fett like characters to go around and they can only be in so many places at once. So you really don't have thousands of other similar stories happening. Maybe at best you have dozens. Hence my feeling that you've diminished the scope of the universe.

 

Do you feel that way about ahsoka, rex, vader, hondo, palatine, maul and obi wan showing up in rebels?

 

I don't care about what shows I don't watch do

I did think the "Darth Maul isn't actually dead" was one of the dummer things the Solo movie did. But really that whole movie highlights my criticism. It could've, and should've, been its completely own story set in the Star Wars universe. The main character didn't have to be Han Solo. Trying to force the story to also be a Han Solo story just made everything worse.

 

I mean if we're being honest the existence of Ahsoka never made an ounce of sense given that it's never mentioned at all in Revenge of the Sith that Anakin spent a significant amount of time with his own padawan but that's not something any modern Star Wars fan ever wants to admit in my experience lol

 

Dearth Maul was known to be alive long before Solo. Just because you don’t know all of the information ahead of time doesn’t mean it’s bad.

 

I love when they make new characters like Ahsoka, Ezra, Kanan, Rex, etc. but keep it grounded in the rest of the overarching story and characters. It grounds it for me.

 

The empire had complete control of the Galaxy due to a Jedi turning to the dark side and then the Galaxy was saved due to the same Jedi turning back to the light and killing the emperor. So yes, they are very important.

This story worth telling naturally had Boba Fett appear. It was inevitable fate. It’s not bad story telling. It’s actually great. Mando has met dozens and dozens of new characters but once he meets a few old ones it makes the universe small? How? Bad story telling would have the mandalorian go around and ignoring a character just because they existed in an earlier movie or show. Now that seems forced.

 

The idea of the Jedi being some long lost mythical order only makes sense in the context of the original trilogy. With the prequels you actually see them in action and they are clearly well known to everyone and play a major role in the galaxy’s political feuds. With their technology it’s not like people couldn’t capture videos of the space samurai with laser swords moving things with their mind.

But because that’s how the idea was introduced in the original, the creative directors seem unwilling to just accept that it’s now an obvious plot hole. Like there would have been nothing lost by framing it as Mando vaguely knowing who the Jedi were but thinking they were simply extinct

 

Yeah given how close in time the Republic era was to the time we see in the OT, it retroactively makes no sense that the Jedi are treated like mythical figures in the OT and in everything between the OT and TFA. Like sure, people should have been afraid to talk about them, for fear of getting executed as a subversive, but not believing in them at all or treating them like they existed in the distant past makes no sense. There were thousands of them all over the galaxy just 19 years ago! They had an enormous temple on the Empire's capital planet, the ruins of which are probably still there!

 

you guys are stumbling head first into ONE of the compelling reasons WHY this universe needs some stories further away from this timeline at this point. yes it was never consistent and now it’s hobbled together and tacked on.

 

I thought *NSYNC was a myth

 

I mean yeah you're totally right. They need to stop making things set between Episode 1 and Episode 9. Like, just entirely stop. Go back into the way past like The Acolyte is doing or show us post-Episode 9 stuff. I truly do not care anymore about anything that happens between 1 and 9. The sooner they move beyond the Skywalker Saga, the sooner this universe will actually start to feel like, well, a "universe".

 

I think the problem is there’s no substantive story to Solo, there’s only hokey callbacks and references.

If it’s not Han Solo, it’s a completely uninteresting generic heist plot. Granted, with Han Solo it’s completely uninteresting fan service so kind of a lose lose.

I dig The Mandalorian, but it kinda has the same problem. Without the sick costume and Star Wars aesthetic, it would be like sub-Brisco County Jr material

 

How did Anakin get a padawan btw. Didn’t they put him on the council but explicitly say they would not be granting him the title of master

 

Yoda assigned Ahsoka to him to facilitate his own growth. It was before he was put on the council

 

One would think that when he was placed on the council but not given the title of "Master", his first retort would have been "But I just spent the entirety of the war we just fought training my own padawan."

 

This has always been my problem with the entire concept of Clone Wars. To paraphrase Redlettemedia: “This isn’t some board room making decisions about apple sauce packaging. This is a council of Jedi making decisions about someone whose training was prophesised to bring GRAVE DANGER.”

 

Ahsoka is the best character in star wars so I can overlook it lol