I rarely come back to this record at all. I don’t connect with any of the songs. However to say the songs are “not good” is a whole other thing. This is definitely not a favorite of mine though. And I put it a full tier, maybe even two tiers below AC and LLL.
Everyone ranks differently, but I don’t get how you could adore LLL, and just outright say that the songs here aren’t good. There are a lot of similarities between the two.
It seems I'm a weird fan because my favorites by far are YAO, FH, and Pioneer, then a step down is LLL (which is still great, obviously), and then AC (also good), and then way down there are the first two records. I like their debut a little more than B&W for nostalgia reasons, but yeah, those are just the records I relate to.
I wish I liked American Candy more. I want to sooo bad. The highs are incredible. Miles Away, Same Suit, Diet Soda, English Girls, and Another Night. The rest just seem to just really drag the whole thing down a notch, though.
This album has skips for me, so it'll never be their best (again, for me, taste is subjective after all). I do think it has their highest career highs though. When this album hits... it HITS. (It's a great album and I love it very much, I just do not personally share the opinion that it's their best.)
I would say I enjoyed OK more than LLL and American Candy but the Pioneer era is where it’s at for me. Forever Halloween Deluxe too. Ice Cave? Come on, man.
I feel you on the top three. I would rank their albums as such: Pioneer > FH deluxe > OK > AC > LLL > Black & White >>>>> CSWS
My ranking for this band is definitely unusual: LLL Black & White You Are OK American Candy Can't Stop, Won't Stop Pioneer Forever Halloween
As someone who was a fan of this band in the early days, they definitely lost me on those two album cycles. It seemed like they hated the experience of making/promoting Black & White so much that they actively rebelled against writing catchy melodies. I've come around on those albums a little bit, but they still strike me as a band casting around for its own sound and identity (which they found on American Candy and Lovely Little Lonely, to great effect).