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The House Passes Resolution Letting ISPs Sell Your Data

Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by Melody Bot, Mar 29, 2017.

  1. Melody Bot

    Your friendly little forum bot. Staff Member

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    The House has now passed the resolution that will allow ISPs to sell your browsing history without your permission:

    As most had expected, the House of Representatives today voted 215 to 205 to kill privacy rules protecting US broadband subscribers. If you’re interested in a little thing called public accountability, you can find a breakdown of which Representatives voted for the measure here.

    Ars Technica has a good break down on what this all means:

    The rules issued by the FCC last year would have required home Internet and mobile broadband providers to get consumers’ opt-in consent before selling or sharing Web browsing history, app usage history, and other private information with advertisers and other companies. But lawmakers used their authority under the Congressional Review Act (CRA) to pass a joint resolution ensuring that the rules “shall have no force or effect” and that the FCC cannot issue similar regulations in the future.

    Now’s probably a good time to recommend looking into a VPN and making sure the websites you use are all using HTTPS (this one is). The two dead simple VPNs I’ve used in the past and heard good things about are Cloak and TunnelBear. I personally use Private Internet Access, but it’s a little more fiddly to set up and use.

  2. noxee

    Regular Prestigious

    So this may be a dumb question but is there any accountability for what happens to donations? Do they get used for party expenses or are Representatives able to spend it as they please?
  3. don't fret


  4. Pretty inflammatory headline for what it actually says in the article (which is no shit sort of stuff and does not make the argument for what the headline says):
    The most obvious: You need to trust your VPN provider not to track you and sell your data itself.

    While using a VPN, you might find that you can’t connect to all the sites and services you’re used to using. Netflix, for example, tries to block all VPNs to prevent people from accessing content not licensed in their home countries. Others sites may block particular VPN providers used by malicious hackers or criminals to cover their tracks. It can be hard to tell if you can’t access a particular site because you’ve misconfigured your VPN software, the site is down, or if a company has blocked your VPN provider from accessing a site.
    Basically, yeah, you gotta trust your VPN, and you should research them and know what your threat profile is and what you're using it for.

    I agree with the final premise of that article: that our government should be fighting for our privacy, but I don't think their clickbait headline is helpful nor do I find their argument compelling. For more information on some of the other privacy issues with VPNs and other things you can do (like roll your own) the second Ars link I posted has a more detailed look, but, by and large — I still recommend, for most people, a pretty simple VPN if you're looking to better cover your internet ass, especially while connected to a public wifi. If you pick a good one, their incentives for your privacy are aligned far more than your ISPs.
  5. The Top 10 Things Every Voter Should Know About Money-in-Politics | OpenSecrets

    Pretty much depends where it comes from, to who, on how it can be spent.

    Politicians Have Numerous Options for Unused Campaign Cash After Leaving Elected Office - OpenSecrets Blog
    From $25 to $10,000,000: A Guide to Political Donations - Campaign Finance - Election 2012 -

    I mean:

    Rep. 'iPhone' Chaffetz spent $3,000 of his campaign funds at Apple store in Utah
  6. noxee

    Regular Prestigious

    Thanks for the links, I'm not all that familiar with the US political system so it's interesting (in a "holy crap that's messed" up kind of way). It seems like there is a lot of energy spent on trying to circumvent the law and systems in place to allow people/companies to spend as much money as they want on campaigns and candidates.
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  7. Basically ... yeah.

    It's not great. Haha.
  8. carlosonthedrums

    Cooler than a polar bear's toenails Prestigious

    I rarely ever go on Facebook, and I shut down my Twitter a few weeks back because I got sick of the rampant awful behavior, but I'm genuinely curious to see what other people's feeds look like these days in terms of friends or relatives that voted for Trump. How are they reacting to news like this or the healthcare debacle? One of the worst things about the entire election cycle was seeing how unmoved his supporters were regardless of what awful thing he said on the campaign trail, but now that he's in office and actually enacting garbage that will negatively effect even those who liked him, are they saying anything or keeping quiet? I realize most people are too proud to admit they were wrong, but I wonder if anyone has seen even the slightest backtracking.
  9. Some days this is the only account that makes me have some faith in humanity:

    Trump Regrets (@Trump_Regrets) | Twitter
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  10. tyler2tall

    Trusted Supporter

    The ISPs already had the right to sell your data. This doesn't actually change anything. Just doesn't change current rules to be better.
  11. Timmiluvs

    I play video games fast Prestigious

  12. Jason Tate Mar 29, 2017
    (Last edited: Mar 29, 2017)
    As both links explain better than me, these rules were passed last year to require opt-in and set to go into effect this month. This changes that.
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  13. carlosonthedrums

    Cooler than a polar bear's toenails Prestigious

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  14. tyler2tall

    Trusted Supporter

    Ahh gotcha. That makes sense.
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  15. Ben Lee

    I drink coffee and dad my kids Supporter

    We have a side of our family that are HEAVY Trump supporters, and they've been dead silent (outside of the occasional "snowflake" comment.) For the most part though, I told a lot of them to fuck off and they've deleted me since.

    Also, a lot memes. They're not intelligent people by any means, so they post a lot of memes that they're taking in a very literal sense.
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  16. Probably Cloak. It's just stupid easy to use.
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  17. carlosonthedrums

    Cooler than a polar bear's toenails Prestigious

    That's disheartening beyond words.
  18. Eric Wilson

    Trusted Prestigious

    Been looking into this the past few days, and trying to decide between Cloak and NordVPN. I like the fact that Cloak seems to be designed with Apple devices in mind.
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