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Wharf Rat · Mar 10, 2016

cshadows2887 said:

I haven't gotten to that one or his record with John McLaughlin when he got full on fusion, but fuck if their first 3 records are just ludicrously good

Yeah I think I listened to 2 of those or something and Caravanserai which is kind of his first major shift into fusion as I understand it so I definitely have to get into him

cshadows2887 · Mar 10, 2016

Wharf Rat said:

Yeah I think I listened to 2 of those or something and Caravanserai which is kind of his first major shift into fusion as I understand it so I definitely have to get into him

He will get a week, for sure

Wharf Rat · Mar 11, 2016

Ezra Update: How the Dead brought music on campus back to life

but....did this show actually happen??

I understand why most people think that 5/8/77 was real as can be. It's widely considered to be the holy grail of GD shows. And if it was an actual, real show, it would be just that. But the fact is, that it was a HOAX perpetrated through a joint effort of the US Department of Defense and the CIA. And this is nothing new. My uncle served in ‘Nam with one of the guys that were actually *in* the CIA experiment. Hell, if you don't believe me, it's even on the archive!

There's been a lot of talk lately about the legendary fake show on 5/8/77. I've kept my silence on the subject for 22 years ... now it's finally time to come clean on the whole subject.

The whole idea began back in late 1969/early 1970. The Department of Defense and the CIA were very disappointed by the way the Vietnam War was progressing. Not only were we losing but, more importantly, the US public did not approve of the war and, worse yet, weren't believing everything the military said about what was happening. This was an unprecedented event. Every other recent war was viewed positively by the public ... or at least with apathy in the case of Korea. Something had to be done. They decided to take a page from the Soviets and experiment with mind control. Together with Disney and a fledgling computer company called Microsoft, they set out to prove that brainwashing could really work on the very people who opposed
them: the hippies.

It isn't widely known but Cornell was actually the second test of these mind control procedures. The first occurred in mid-1975 and was a dismal failure. 2 major mistakes were made. First, they picked the one time that the Dead were not touring. This created all sorts of problems with the subject audience. The more serious mistake was in not updating the criteria of the experiment. Due to typical government inefficiency, they used the 1969 version of the Dead that was playing when the program was conceived. The sudden appearance of Pigpen, who had died 2 years earlier, literally blew the minds of those in attendance. 6 months were spent erasing all traces of the "show" and carefully rebuilding as much of their minds as possible. The
subjects were eventually released and most of them became evangelists, their only lingering memory of the whole experiment being an unshakeable belief that they'd witnessed a true miracle.

Unfortunately, no tapes have been found from this first experiment. That's a real shame because the version of Dark Star-> St Stephen-> Eleven-> Lovelight used was supposedly the best ever. After a few drinks, the original scientists still speak in awe about the music heard that day.

By Nov 1977, everyone was ready for the second test. This time, they learned from their mistakes. A small group of college students were hired to attend shows from 1976 through 1977. Our job was to collect tapes of the Dead's performances, select which tunes to use, and to
help identify subjects for the upcoming experiment. The location and date were chosen with equal care. It was a off-day during the tour and the location close enough to the real concerts to be believed. Of more
importance was the late snowfall that day. That unusual and easily confirmed event provided the glue that would hold the implanted memories together. Even now 22 years later, people "remembering" that concert use almost identical words to describe leaving the show.

Overall, the experiment was a great success. Of course, some people were given slightly different memories. Some, like Teddy Goodbear, "remember" taping the show and were even provided "Audience" tapes to further cement the hoax. Still others remember getting "horribly smashed" up front. None of this actually occurred.

A week after the "concert" experiment, a 2nd test was done on the town of Cornell itself. In order to perfect this hoax, the town itself must also be convinced that the concert took place. Disney had acquired owner- ship of all the local TV and radio stations through dummy corporations. Using special chips developed by Microsoft, they played sublimbminal messages to every man, woman and child in a 100 mile radius of Barton Hall. For the most part, this programming still holds today although some people did prove resistant to the message.

As far as the source of the music, for the most part the list posted by "brew ziggins" is correct. The only mystery remaining is the Scarlet-> Fire. That was actually performed by the Dead specifically for this experiment. Since Jerry worked for the CIA, it was easy to convince him and the rest of the band to go along. Plus he liked the idea of "pranking" a large group of people like this. The fabled 2/6/77 "take a step back" rehearsal tape is also from material taped for these experiments.

The soundboard tapes in circulation were leaked by Betty O'Connell who
edited the original tapes. I don't know if it was just a coincidence or not, but they were leaked at about the same time as the tapes recorded by Betty Cantor were found. In any event, they became part of the so-called "Betty Boards". Leaking these tapes also provided the first cracks in the hoax to appear since the tapes were distributed to people who were not in the experiment and who knew that no show was performed that day. It was necessary to obtain their silence through blackmail, bribery and in extreme cases, mind control itself. That's also how this "show" came to be listed in all the popular Dead show guides like DeadBase.

So what's happened to these mind control techniques used in this experiment? Microsoft has used this power to become one of the biggest, most influential companies in history. They sure didn't become that big by providing quality products. It was used to shape public reaction to the Gulf War. It's also clear that George Bush never understood the full power of these methods. . There are also indications that this technology might explain the otherwise unbelievable popularity of rap music.

That's the whole story.

"BARTON HALL, ITHACA, NY 5/8/77 -- The Show That Never Happened"

Track listing Actual Source
------------ ---------------
1.Minglewood Blues [4:47] Winterland 3/20/77
2.Loser [7:30] Springfield 4/23/77
3.El Paso [4:22] Chicago 5/13/77
4.They Love Each Other [6:59] Lakeland 5/21/77
5.Jack Straw [6:00] Tempe 10/6/77
6.Deal [5:43] St. Paul 5/11/77
7.Lazy Lightnin' [3:29] > St. Louis 5/15/77
8.Supplication [4:21] "
9.Brown-Eyed Women [5:12] Winterland 6/8/77
10.Mama Tried [2:37] Seattle 9/29/77
11.Row Jimmy [10:52] Fox, Atlanta 5/19/77
12.Dancin' in the Streets [15:43] Pembroke Pines 5/22/77 (DP3)

Set II:

13.Scarlet Begonias [9:14] > ???
14.Fire on the Mountain [15:21] ???
15.Estimated Prophet [8:32] Passaic NJ 4/27/77
16.St. Stephen [4:43] > Mostly Passaic NJ 6/18/76
17.Not Fade Away [16:22] > with some tricky splicing of the
18.St. Stephen [1:53] > middle of an unidentified NFA
19.Morning Dew [13:36] Cow Palace 12/31/76

Encore:

20.One More Saturday Night [4:54] Springfield 4/23/77

Wharf Rat · Mar 12, 2016

I always forget when I rec Skull & Roses that there's an 18 minute drums>other one. That might be daunting. But it slays so whatever

Wharf Rat · Mar 12, 2016

Crosby Stills and Nash taught them that. I love virtually every song on that album, but especially New Speedway Boogie. They never really played it live so it has a really unique feeling to it when I listen

Wharf Rat · Mar 12, 2016

schlotty said:

Ben I'm sorry for ever making fun of The Dead

ur damn right this should be the OP of this thread tbh

cshadows2887 · Mar 12, 2016

schlotty said:

Ben I'm sorry for ever making fun of The Dead

Just wait til you get to Live/Dead and then all that goodwill is gone. Haha

Wharf Rat · Mar 12, 2016

cshadows2887 said:

Just wait til you get to Live/Dead and then all that goodwill is gone. Haha

Have you ever tried listening to Live/Dead and skipping "Dark Star?" You'll definitely enjoy them more. How much more is questionable, but I'd be surprised if you didn't enjoy "St Stephen>The Eleven" or "Death Don't Have No Mercy." "Lovelight" might be a bit jammed out but it's all great songs.

Wharf Rat · Mar 12, 2016

Meerkat · Mar 12, 2016

Honestly Ben, you've lost a lot of my respect for not just calling this The Dead Thread

Wharf Rat · Mar 12, 2016

iplaydrums said:

Honestly Ben, you've lost a lot of my respect for not just calling this The Dead Thread

I understand. It was The Grateful Thread on ap.net which I also liked but I wanted it to be searchable

Meerkat · Mar 12, 2016

Wharf Rat said:

I understand. It was The Grateful Thread on ap.net which I also liked but I wanted it to be searchable

Of course, I'm just teasing. If I saw The Dead Thread I'd think we were talking about grave robbing or something

Wharf Rat · Mar 12, 2016

Hmm.....that'd be a sick thread too though. Might trick some people into opening the thread too.

I gotta think on this.

Meerkat · Mar 12, 2016

"What the fuck man? I wanted to talk about human body decomposition and mortician practices and this is just about a fucking band?"

Wharf Rat · Mar 12, 2016

iplaydrums said:

"What the fuck man? I wanted to talk about human body decomposition and mortician practices and this is just about a fucking band?"

We got skeletons tho

Meerkat · Mar 12, 2016

That's true. And I mean, someone could very much think this is a thread to discuss being happy someone's dead

JulieLynn · Mar 14, 2016

Where has this thread been all my life?!?!?!

JulieLynn · Mar 14, 2016

Ever see a grown man cry during "Terrapin Station"? I have. My father let tears of joy roll down his face when we saw Dead and Co in Worcester a few month back. God love that man.

Wharf Rat · Mar 14, 2016

JulieLynn said:

Ever see a grown man cry during "Terrapin Station"? I have. My father let tears of joy roll down his face when we saw Dead and Co in Worcester a few month back. God love that man.

I'm not sure if he cried, but my dad definitely had "a moment" during Peggy-o. Pretty sure he was having a straight up flashback to somewhere around 1977.

Wharf Rat · Mar 17, 2016

Y'ALL

RED ALERT

IT HAS A RELEASE DATE

AFTER 5 YEARS

RED ALERT DEFCON 1

59 TRACKS! 6 HOURS!!!!!!!!!!! APPARENTLY BRUCE HORNSBY AND JUSTIN VERNON HAVE A BAND TOGETHER!!!

The National Announce Grateful Dead Tribute Album Featuring Wilco, Flaming Lips, Justin Vernon, Courtney Barnett, More | News | Pitchfork

y'all i'm going to die this is my end wish me well

Wharf Rat · Mar 17, 2016

(Huge ass) tracklist:

Day of the Dead:

Thunder (Vol. 1):

01 The War on Drugs: "Touch of Grey"
02 Phosphorescent, Jenny Lewis & Friends: "Sugaree"
03 Jim James & Friends: "Candyman"
04 Moses Sumney, Jenny Lewis & Friends: "Cassidy"
05 Bruce Hornsby and DeYarmond Edison: "Black Muddy River"
06 Ed Droste, Binki Shapiro & Friends: "Loser"
07 The National: "Peggy-O"
08 Kurt Vile and the Violators: "Box of Rain" [ft. J Mascis]
09 Bonnie "Prince" Billy and Friends: "Rubin and Cherise"
10 Perfume Genius, Sharon Van Etten & Friends: "To Lay Me Down"
11 Courtney Barnett: "New Speedway Boogie"
12 Mumford & Sons: "Friend of the Devil"
13 Lucius: "Uncle John's Band"
14 The Lone Bellow & Friends: "Me and My Uncle"
15 Lee Ranaldo, Lisa Hannigan & Friends: "Mountains of the Moon"
16 Anohni and yMusic: "Black Peter"
17 Bryce Dessner: "Garcia Counterpoint"
18 Daniel Rossen, Christopher Bear and the National: "Terrapin Station (Suite)" [ft. Josh Kaufman, Conrad Doucette, So Percussion and Brooklyn Youth Chorus]
19 Angel Olsen: "Attics of My Life"
20 Wilco and Bob Weir: "St. Stephen (Live)"

Lightning (Vol. 2):

01 Bonnie "Prince" Billy: "If I Had the World to Give"
02 Phosphorescent & Friends: "Standing on the Moon"
03 Charles Bradley and Menahan Street Band: "Cumberland Blues"
04 Tallest Man on Earth & Friends: "Ship of Fools"
05 Bonnie "Prince" Billy & Friends: "Bird Song"
06 The National: "Morning Dew"
07 Marijuana Deathsquads: "Truckin'"
08 Cass McCombs, Joe Russo & Friends: "Dark Star"
09 Nightfall of Diamonds: "Nightfall of Diamonds"
10 Tim Hecker: "Transitive Refraction Axis for John Oswald"
11 Lucinda Williams & Friends: "Goin' Down the Road Feeling Bad"
12 Tunde Adebimpe, Lee Ranaldo & Friends: "Playing in the Band"
13 Local Natives: "Stella Blue"
14 Tal National: "Eyes of the World"
15 Bela Fleck: "Help on the Way"
16 Orchestra Baobab: "Franklin's Tower"
17 Luluc With Xylouris White: "Till the Morning Comes"
18 The Walkmen: "Ripple"
19 Richard Reed Parry with Caroline Shaw and Little Scream: "Brokedown Palace" [ft. Garth Hudson]

Sunshine (Vol. 3):

01 Real Estate: "Here Comes Sunshine"
02 Unknown Mortal Orchestra: "Shakedown Street"
03 Hiss Golden Messenger: "Brown Eyed Woman"
04 This Is the Kit: "Jack-a-Roe"
05 Daniel Rossen and Christopher Bear: "High Time"
06 The Lone Bellow & Friends: "Dire Wolf"
07 Winston Marshall, Kodiak Blue and Shura: "Althea"
08 Orchestra Baobab: "Clementine Jam"
09 Stephen Malkmus and the Jicks: "China Cat Sunflower - I Know You Rider"
10 Bill Callahan: "Easy Wind"
11 Ira Kaplan & Friends: "Wharf Rat"
12 The Rileys (Terry and Gyan Riley): "Estimated Prophet"
13 Man Forever, So Percussion and Oneida: "Drums - Space"
14 Fucked Up: "Cream Puff War"
15 The Flaming Lips: "Dark Star"
16 s t a r g a z e: "What's Become of the Baby"
17 Vijay Iyer: "King Solomon's Marbles"
18 Mina Tindle & Friends: "Rosemary"
19 Sam Amidon & Friends: "And We Bid You Goodnight"
20 The National With Bob Weir: "I Know You Rider (live)"

jordalsh · Mar 17, 2016

@Wharf Rat was waiting for you to bump this thread with that haha

Wharf Rat · Mar 17, 2016

YALL TIM HECKER IS ON IT!!!!!

jordalsh · Mar 17, 2016

The artist list is insane

cshadows2887 · Mar 17, 2016

That is just absurd to even have coordinated.

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