Think about the points thing! It reduces random outliers jumping up the list just because two people put them high.
it’s a bad idea, man you can rank 10 if you want. those 10 will get the appropriate points. the remaining 40 might as well not even be on the list if you aren’t going to rank them, though.
Might be worth asking @Jason Tate about the algorithm he came up with to give albums that show up on lots of lists more weight.
isnt that what the points based thing is for? like, if they’re on more lists, they’re inevitably getting more points?
I think the idea is whether you do simple addition of points or some fancier scaling to handle outliers. If first place gets 50 points and 50th place gets 1 point, first place is weighted 50x. Another option is first place gets 75 points and 50th place gets 25 points, so first place is only weighted 3x. Imagine there are 50 submissions that all have the same album in the 50th spot. Shouldn't it show up higher than if one random submission has an album in the 1 spot that no one else puts on their list? It really is just a trade-off between "people's most favorites" and "people's consensus favorites".
I think you’re misunderstanding my... point. it’s a weighting thing. If you give all #1 albums 50 points and all #50 albums 1 point, that is a massive discrepancy that completely decimated the value of consensus albums at the lower end of the list. If you start at 100 points for #1 choices and end at 51, it’s a 2:1 ratio instead of 50:1.
this was really hard after the top 20 or so. after that, it just became "these are the albums i like listening to recently, so in what order would i most likely want to listen to them in?" 1. jimmy eat world - clarity 2. american football - lp3 3. tears for fears - songs from the big chair 4. blink 182 - untitled 5. quicksand - slip 6. the story so far - proper dose 7. paramore - after laughter 8. somos - temple of plenty 9. til tuesday - voices carry 10. taylor swift - red 11. owen - at home with owen 12. run the jewels - rtj2 13. box car racer - self titled 14, carly rae jepsen - emotion 15. motion city soundtrack - commit this to memory 16. armor for sleep - what to do when you are dead 17. hall & oates - private eyes 18. fugazi - self titled 19. led zeppelin - self titled 20. motion city soundtrack - commit this to memory 21. ariel kill him - alpha is down 22. the postal service - give up 23. moving mountains - pneuma 24. park - building a better ______ 25. vein - errorzone 26. death cab for cutie - transatlanticism 27. p.o.s. - never better 28. julien baker - sprained ankle 29. everclear - sparkle and fade 30. prawn - ships 31. nick drake - pink moon 32. pentimento - i, no longer 33. turnover - peripheral vision 34. diet cig - over easy 35. hundred reasons - ideas above our station 36. catherine mcgrath - talk of this town 37. montgomery - new clear war 38. gates - bloom and breathe 39. explosions in the sky - the earth is not a cold dead place 40. the early november - the room's too cold 41. beastie boys - licensed to ill 42. latterman - no matter where we go... 43. death from above - you're a woman, i'm a machine 44. frank sinatra - in the wee small hours 45. thursday - full collapse 46. the 1975 - self titled 47. the matches - decomposer 48. the jealous sound - kill them with kindness 49. felt - 3 50. taking back sunday - tell all your friends
Thinking about doing a top 50 that shaped me and then cringing over some of the things I’d have to include to be honest.
Amazing how much progress you think we made as a society (/website lolz) and then someone puts Brand New or Kanye on their list. You guys really think they deserve that extra promo huh?
Before this gets out of hand, we should address it. What are we doing with problematic artists? Brand New is obviously not the only one, and it's pretty clear that people are itching to pile on someone for including them on their list. Do we nix them completely? Do you include them with an *? I think it's assumed that a large number of people on this site hold those records in high regard. They also know the horrible things that that piece of shit did. Is it better to just exclude the records? What about other artists who have problematic pasts? What are you doing with them? The Beatles, Zeppelin, Bowie, Pac etc.
Exclude the records. These artists that “people are itching to include” have had their due. If you can’t find an album to sub-in for an abuser or racist, etc. then add the problematic records to a separate un-ranked category.
And, for that matter, what line are we drawing? Kanye and Jesse are both absolutely problematic. Do they deserve to be in the same sentence? I genuinely don't know. I was planning to include multiple Kanye albums on my list, and to remove Brand New completely. In addition, what is the real point of this list? Is it to expose lesser known artists? To compile a canon for Chorus posters?
My personal opinion is an asterisk is fine if the user wants to call it out. Not a super well thought opinion, but the lines of what and what not to exclude is a bit grey.
The idea is to give extra value to albums that don’t necessarily score a ton of top 10 rankings, but end up on the largest number of lists. We used the scoring system you’ve suggested on all staff lists up through end of last year, then Jason came up with an algorithm that makes it so 1-2 people ranking an album high doesn’t automatically get that album into the top 10.