He got enough praise for smashing that I think he'll at least switch it up between big budget and artier films
As mad as I am about NOC missing, it's refreshing that I really loved 7/10 Best Picture nominees. The other three (Train Dreams, F1, Secret Agent) aren't even bad, I just didn't click with them.
I don’t really want BP to necessarily be something that only goes to movies designed for the most engagement though. Like it’s cool anora and moonlight won. It’s also cool that Oppenheimer won and it will be cool when OBAA wins. Just don’t give it to green book and shit like that and we’re fine lol
I don’t think he cares about praise in reviews. I think he did this for the end result. Maybe interesting directors will offer him parts now but he still has to say yes. He did all that work for a movie ultimately very few people saw that garnered next to no accolades. For what? He’s just gonna do more dumb action now imo
I feel like it ebbs and flows. People definitely saw Argo and Spotlight. Fewer people saw 12 Years a Slave or The Shape of Water. The two COVID winners were the nadir of people caring about the Oscars, and it's rebounded a bit in the years since.
Yeah sometimes I think back on Oscars the past 10 years or so where some the nominees are still culturally relevant but the winners aren't. Like 2015 when Birdman won, but a decade later that movie never gets talked about outside film nerd circles, but Whiplash is considered a cultural touchstone of the decade.
My point is more the idea that winning BP canonizes the movie to some degree, not that a popular movie wins. Oppenheimer was a popular movie that won. I was not alive when Terms of Endearment or Driving Miss Daisy won, but I knew that they were "good movies" (I haven't seen them idk if they are) growing up because they won best picture. Do you think anyone is going back to Green Book or Coda or The Artist after they won?
I think Timmy C should win but I could see people not voting for him because him saying how much he wants it or whatever. Academy people are dumb.
I’m not super in tune with the inside baseball of the Academy/who people analyze as the favorite for certain categories, so maybe me saying “no chance” is off base. With Moura taking the Globe and all of the others being so much more talked about, it’s hard for me to see it. Would love to see you be right though!
Like I (embarrassingly) follow some of the Barstool pop culture accounts who are posting about the noms and there are Barstool followers in the comments sad that Mescal didn't get a nom and talking about Sentimental Value being good. I don't remember any discourse at all over Nomadland (I think people said it was good?) or CODA. Again, COVID, but no waves were made. I don't know anyone who is going back and checking out those movies, but I had a kid in class bring up Amadeus the other day.
I get your point but I do think the larger movies have a more obvious quicker route towards canonization. Like, Oppenheimer feels like a part of the canon now. It legitimized arguably the biggest filmmaker younger than the Marty/spielberg generation. A massive scale movie that was critically well received to boot. Maybe it’s more of an outlier a decade from now than coda is but we’ll see. I feel like OBAA is a closer style win to Oppenheimer than coda/nomadland/kings speech.
No Chainsaw Man I can understand (despite it being the better film) but no Demon Slayer as well? After the Globes nom I thought that was a sure shot. Bad day for anime. But anyway. KPDH ftw!!! They'll get to perform Golden at the Oscars!!!
The King’s Speech was the first year that I remember most people being confused or upset by the BP winner, and it definitely did not remain in the cultural canon like The Social Network or Inception
Shakespeare in Love is a solid parallel, there was a lot of talk of Weinstein tampering to get it to win over Saving Private Ryan. I was too young to know if people were buzzing about it for the following year or two. American Beauty might suck but I knew the bag, the bag stuck around for years!
90s really were banger after banger pop culture hits, save Shakespeare. I have not seen The English Patient, but I know the Seinfeld episode. Was it good?
there isn't really anything else for me to rally behind, tho i guess i should watch Hamnet. i just feel a little betrayed that Chloe Zhao and Celine Song both released films with primarily white casts (the latter didn't even get any nominations!). as much as i love Rental Family i know it had no shot. i'm pretty sure KPDH is a lock but if it doesn't win at least they'll kill that performance. i'm happy Sinners and OBAA are getting a lot of love. Chase snub is whack tho