The 91st Academy Awards (February 24, 2019) TV Show • Page 11

The Davis family sure has a lot of talented actresses

 

Lack of Beale is the biggest offender. The leads deserved more recognition for their performances too.

 

Black Panther...? It's not a bad movie but it has no business being a nominee for Best Picture.

 

Why single out Black Panther in a field that includes Green Book & Bohemian Rhapsody? Who cares if it's based on a comic book property and has CGI armored rhinos in its third act? For the kind of films they nominate, it's a good inclusion. Nothing wrong with broadening the genres considered.

 

2018: "The Oscars need to acknowledge all these great superhero movies!"
2019: "Why is Black Panther nominated?!"

 

Yeah imagine looking at that field and thinking Black Panther (one of the best superhero films ever and one of the best blockbusters of the year) is the problem

 

And for the record, The Dark Knight was leagues better than all five of 2008's BP nominees combined

 

Bp does just feel like another marvel superhero movie though. Didnt think it was any better or worse than your thumbs up marvel movie so I can see some people being like "black panther nominated but none of the other marvel movies were that's surprising"

But it is in first place on the nominees cause it's the only one I've seen so kudos

 

I keep seeing people arguing that IW should have made it in instead of Black Panther and honestly that’s insane

 

The important part is that there isn't a "Best Popular Film" category.

 

i am PERSONALLY insulted by how little recognition Beale Street was given. my god.

and i saw so little films last year, i'm so behind on all the great films that came out; since my blu-ray player died i can't just buy all the films i missed to watch. are some/most of these streaming?

 

now if only they can introduce something to honor all those amazing Stunt people in the industry, a category that's worthwhile and makes sense haha.

I think the Oscars should look at the Critics Choice and not necessarily copy, but definitely steal some ideas.

 

Green Book and Bohemian Rhapsody aren’t strange because they’re the exact kind of movies thay the Oscars eat up. I don’t care about them nominating superhero/action movies, it’s that Black Panther is so by-the-book that it’s bizarre for it to be the one they decide to finally go for

Like, in contrast, they may rarely nominate horror movies, but Get Out was a fantastic movie so it made sense for it to get that kind of “critical” attention

 

“Yep this 3hr fight scene with 50 characters that requires watching 30 other movies to fully understand is definitely one of the best films of the year”

 

Are you implying that there’s someone who has both of these opinions?

 

Black Panther has so much more going on than pretty much any other superhero film ever made that I still struggle to understand how it could honestly be described as "just another Marvel movie" or "by-the-book" or "paint-by-numbers". This year was the year the phrase "just another Marvel movie" ceased to have all meaning purely because of how many times I saw it directed at Black Panther. It's just so clearly wrong on its face.

 

I think Black Panther belongs based on its cultural significance alone.

 

Such as?

 

I'm not getting into some kind of back-and-forth about this. If you want to ignore the film's themes of isolationism vs. interventionism, anti-imperialism, inheriting the sins of an older generation, black identity, extremism, violence vs. non-violence, and on and on then that's on you.

 

I feel like the Black Panther nom is really an acknowledgment of the achievements of the entire MCU thus far. Sort of how Return of the King's sweeping win in 2004 was really in regards to the entire trilogy, and how Shape of Water's win last year felt like comeuppance for del Toro's filmography, and not necessarily for that movie alone.

 

The film was a cultural phenomenon, critically-adored, one of the most financially successful films of all time, and actually has something worthwhile to say. It got there on its own merits and it deserves to be there independent of the overall merits of the MCU.

 

If you think a film's social significance has nothing to do with how good a film is, there's no point in arguing whether Black Panther was just another Marvel movie.

 

Uh you’re the one who brought up how much more it has going for it. I’m asking you to elaborate, so the hostility is bizarre, to say the least.

I don’t see how most of those themes are so blatantly absent from any other superhero movie, or that other superhero movies don’t also have themes of the same “depth” as those. It’s not like the rest of the Marvel films are just witty banter and fight scenes

 

Yep

 

No you're supposed to nominate The King's Speech which was so uneventful it was a joke on Crazy Ex Girlfriend and Brooklyn 99 this year