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Teen Suicide – Honeybee Table at the Butterfly Feast

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  1. Melody Bot

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    Sam Ray is the most likable person in indie rock. If you didn’t pick up on my sarcasm there, it’s not your fault; it doesn’t translate well to text. In actuality, many people have many reasons to dislike Sam Ray, from his scathing send-up of Car Seat Headrest to his honest albeit prickly online persona and, perhaps most notably, the needlessly edgy moniker of teen suicide itself. Whether these reasons are valid enough to dismiss his music as a whole is totally your call, but I’m here to deliver the message that Ray’s newest album (and first since American Pleasure Club’s fucking bliss, a dark night of the soul via noise-rock), honeybee table at the butterfly feast, is one of the year’s most moving surprises.

    And make no mistake, moving is the best word for it. One could use the term “beautiful,” but you might miss the duality of life and death (and by extension, beauty and despair) really put on display here. Ray was placed on a ventilator in the ICU last year, unable to breathe, and he has discussed extensively the fear of dying at any moment that has lingered with him. The impact, both small and large, is felt throughout honeybee, most notably on album centerpiece “complaining in dreams.” Here, Ray has time to ponder the existential crises we all face and the part he plays in it all.

    “Maybe the abuse I put my body through is finally catching up, or maybe I just can’t exist so good when they’ve destroyed every part of the world I’ve ever loved,” he sings softly, before name-checking terrorist cells and burying bodies in sand. “Are you even really dead and gone if they still talk shit about you on a music blog?” he asks. One would be tempted to call the song nihilistic if it didn’t gleam with similar, strongly-worded moments of hope and purity: “You could search the whole world for something to give it meaning/You could trace the patterns or the fractals in the leaves/You could shut your eyes and live in beautiful, dumb hope/Despite it all, you could still fall in love with nearly everything.”

    This unbiased dissection of the lives we live within the world around us extends through the album. Dreams in “the black shades of death” and “voices in hospitals” kick off the harsh, claustrophobic noise of “violence violence,” a song sequenced just before the meditative, largely instrumental “coyote (2015-2021),” which recalls the quieter instrumental moments of early Modest Mouse records. The record also features some of Ray’s most accessible songwriting yet, specifically “i will always be in love with you (final)” and “every time i hear your name called,” two of his most melodic numbers since American Pleasure Club’s outstanding a whole fucking lifetime of this. And again, from this review, one would be forgiven to think this all sounds a bit eclectic, but perhaps most shocking is how Ray manages to pull all of these sounds and sentiments together into a cohesive piece of work. By design, “i will always be in love with you (final)” is crafted to bleed into a fuller version of a familiar melody in “new strategies in telemarketing through precognitive dreams,” but somehow, the lo-fi strumming of instrumental opener “you were my star” leads just as well into the high-energy sheen of single “death wish.” honeybee splits the difference between APC’s first album and TOUR TAPE, taking cues from the latter’s diversity and forcing it through the melodic filter of the former, leading to what is easily some of Ray’s strongest and most listenable work to date.

    “No matter what you do, it’s all the same/I don’t wanna die, I don’t really wanna live this way,” Ray sings on highlight “get high, breathe underwater (#3)” in a melody that harkens back to the closing refrain of The Starting Line’s “Ready.” While that second lyric could serve as a thesis statement for honeybee, the first line is also telling; later, on “complaining with dreams,” he sings that “Everything is everything is everything is nothing.” A near-death experience will do that to you. Suddenly, the little things like doing laundry or making coffee seem just as grand and integral to life as the actual act of breathing. And when you’re as called to songwriting as Ray is, the pull of creating a record for yourself to work through that is likely next to impossible to ignore. He’s a wildly talented and flawed figure in the scene he thrives in, and whether that is enough to turn you away from his music is ultimately your decision – but for those of us facing similar day-to-day struggles, it feels like a blessing to cope with them alongside one of the best songwriters working right now.

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  2. ballroomtrance

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    Can’t believe there are people who felt offended by the words “teen suicide.” If anything wouldn’t it raise awareness? You have to be a weak minded individual to pressure a band to change their name because you feel triggered by it.

    Super hyped he decided to go back to it. Happy for him. Record rocks.
     
  3. I don't think it's designed to raise awareness and I think it's weird to be glad he went back to it, but that's just me. It is what it is.
     
  4. ItsAndrew

    Prestigious Prestigious

    Sam has stated previously the name was just something edgy Eric Livingston and him came up with on a whim when starting the band. Definitely not meant to raise awareness.
     
  5. jesseisabigdeal

    Regular

    it's just a reference to the film heathers.
     
  6. ballroomtrance

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    It’s weird to be happy for an artist to go by the name he wants to go by?
     
  7. It's definitely weird to imply that anybody triggered by the phrase "teen suicide" is weak-minded and then say you're happy he's using it lol
     
  8. ballroomtrance

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    Anybody triggered by the phrase enough to pressure a dude they don’t know to change the name of his band is incredibly weak minded. Might as well be blind and deaf if you’re going to be offended by two words that aren’t actively offending or harming any group of people you come across in every day life.
     
  9. artbynickferran

    nickferran.com

    You would absolutely be surprised by how many people "you come across in every day life" who knew/loved a teenager who took their own life. For example – me.

    Get over your edgelord bullshit.
     
  10. ballroomtrance Aug 31, 2022
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    ballroomtrance

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    what does that have to do with a guy naming his band Teen Suicide. My cousin Kieran Archuleta, 16, from Albuquerque shot himself in the head with his dad’s pistol in 2011. Fucking tragic. But what does THAT, YOUR story have to do with a fucking band naming their band Teen Suicide? It’s wrong because it’s insenstive to YOU? Get over YOURSELF.
     
  11. ballroomtrance

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    Are you keeping the same energy for Anal ****, Dying Fetus, Midget Handjob, Cattle Decapitation? Are you championing fairness for all of those people who are offended by those names or is it just what triggers you specifically? It sucks that you have loved ones have taken their own lives, but it’s the name of a band for crying out loud. It’s not a mission statement or a glorification or an endorsement of self harm. It’s a band name.
     
  12. Kindly shut up and enjoy the record :)
     
  13. Bartek T.

    D'oh! Prestigious

    I know the review kinda invited the name discussion, but no need to go too far with that psycho expertise. We get it, you're strong-minded. Me on the other hand, possibly not so much as I very quickly lost my initial interest in putting this one on right now. Will get back to it though.
     
  14. It's also referenced maybe twice in a multi-paragraph review so maybe people could focus on the other parts, too :)
     
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