Taylor Swift - The Life of a Showgirl (October 3, 2025) • Page 110

Discussion in 'Music Forum' started by ItsAndrew, Aug 11, 2025.

  1. Garrett

    i tore a hole in the fabric of time Moderator

    My true to myself matched this with just flipping Evermore and TLOAS.
     
  2. SpyKi

    You must fix your heart Supporter

    1. The Tortured Poets Department
    2. Speak Now
    3. Midnights
    4. Folklore
    5. Evermore
    6. Fearless
    7. 1989
    8. Red
    9. The Life of a Showgirl
    10. Lover
    11. Taylor Swift
    12. Reputation
    I think the only difference here to my last ranking is Red and 1989 have swapped. They're pretty close for me and could easily switch at any time, Red has higher highs but is less consistent although Bad Blood is worse than anything on Red. I think I'd probably still put Red above 1989 if I had to choose.
     
  3. OhTheWater

    Let it run Supporter

    Red
    1989
    Folklore
    Speak Now
    Fearless
    Reputation
    Evermore
    Lover
    Taylor Swift
    The Life of a Showgirl
    The Tortured Poets Department
    Midnights
     
  4. chhholly123

    i’ve been meaning to tell you

    Folklore
    Reputation
    Evermore
    1989
    Red
    Midnights
    The Tortured Poets Department
    Lover
    The Life of a Showgirl
    Speak Now
    Fearless
    Taylor Swift

    i think the top 6 i currently enjoy as full albums. tortured poets, lover, and showgirl have great songs but i basically never listen to the full thing if i can help it. speak now, fearless, and s/t are not really the type of music i listen to anymore but i look back on them fondly.
     
  5. irthesteve

    formerly irthesteve Supporter

    Folklore, Red, 1989 and reputation
    Lover, Speak Now, Fearless and Midnights
    Evermore, TTPD, Showgirl and s/t
     
  6. ComedownMachine

    Prestigious Prestigious

    1. Folklore
    2. Evermore
    3. Red
    4. 1989
    5. Lover
    6. Speak Now
    7. Reputation
    8. Fearless
    9. The Tortured Poets Department
    10. Midnights
    11. Taylor Swift
    12. The Life of a Showgirl
     
  7. arewehavingfunyet

    Trusted

    Thought the non-canonical discussion might go somewhere but nope, we're ranking again!
     
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  8. ItsAndrew

    Prestigious Prestigious

    1. Folklore
    2. 1989
    3. Evermore
    4. Red
    5. Lover
    6. Reputation
    7. The Tortured Poets Department
    8. Fearless
    9. Speak Now
    10. Midnights
    11. Taylor Swift
    12. The Life of a Showgirl
     
  9. fourstarters

    John // OC now, OH forever.

    Folklore/Evermore
     
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  10. Garrett

    i tore a hole in the fabric of time Moderator

    be the change you wish to see in the world
     
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  11. Kiana

    Goddamn, man child Prestigious

    I feel like her writing quality has gone down but it's an intentional choice and I'm just not a fan of that. It really struck me when she had that quote about if you're talking about the album or her then it's working. That just feels really cheap and I feel like sometimes she puts in these stupid lyrics knowing that they're stupid and are going to garner headlines or people talking and it's really doing a disservice to her songwriting.

    Like I tolerated the sexy baby line and I do think as sort of weird and jarring as it is I get what she's saying.

    "We looked fire" is dumb. "She didn't do it legitly" sounds dumb

    She can do better than that and it's frustrating as a fan
     
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  12. Zilla

    Prestigious Supporter

    Even though it’s a clunky couple of lines, the lyric in “Anti-Hero”: “Did you hear my covert narcissism/I disguise as altruism/Like some kind of congressman? (Tale as old as time)” is way more insightful and an attempt at some kind of political commentary than anything on here
     
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  13. Craig Manning

    @FurtherFromSky Moderator

    I think she got a little high on her own supply as a songwriter in the folklore/evermore era, leading to wordier, clunkier songwriting on subsequent albums. I think she’s still a great songwriter, but there are way more groaner lines for me on the last few albums than on anything she did up through 2020.
     
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  14. OhTheWater

    Let it run Supporter

    Her lyrics and delivery have gotten so bad as time goes on
     
  15. irthesteve

    formerly irthesteve Supporter

    My biggest issue, which happens a LOT in the second disc of TTPD, is not necessarily with the wordiness itself, BUT that her vocals don't work with the music. You can tell that Aaron sent her mostly complete music and she just kinda forces lyrics over that music without it really flowing well or melodically meshing. On the flipside, you can tell she builds the music from scratch with Jack, so the twists and turns from the music and the lyrics compliment each other. The verses in How Did It End are one of the worst offenders, but there's a lot on that disc. I feel it here most obviously on "Eldest Daughter"
     
  16. Garrett

    i tore a hole in the fabric of time Moderator

    What would be the Taylor Swift Canon songs at this point?

    Tim McGraw and Our Song
    Love Story and You Belong With Me
    Mine, Enchanted, and Long Live
    Red, 22, All Too Well
    Blank Space, Style, and Shake It Off
    Ready For It and New Year’s Day
    Death By A Thousand Cuts and The Archer
    Exile and August
    Champagne Problems
    Anti-Hero
    I Can Do It With A Broken Heart
    Ruin the Friendship I guess

    Don’t really feel like this reflects how I’d make it look for me, but maybe general consensus? Idk. Very tough to do. Feels like it leans too single heavy at points, but also hard to argue against most of those singles imo.
     
  17. Craig Manning

    @FurtherFromSky Moderator

    It’s interesting that she’s gotten to this point, because that’s just totally not the version of songwriting she cut her teeth doing. Like, people can say what they want about the Nashville country music scene, but those writers rooms are really after precise, economical songwriting. And that’s almost exclusively what you get on her first couple albums, especially the Liz Rose stuff. Speak Now, the track lengths balloon out significantly, but she’s still writing in that Nashville style. And then on Red and 1989 she teams up with Max Martin, who prizes a similar economy of writing for different reasons.

    I don’t think it’s until Jack becomes her go-to guy that you really start to hear that “fit as many words into this part of the song as possible” habit. Which, I don’t think that approach to writing is bad on its face, but I do feel like there are songs where she’s precise about it (“Death by a Thousand Cuts” is a good example) and songs where it just feels like we got the rough draft (“Eldest Daughter,” which I mostly like, but is frustrating because parts of it seem like she didn’t quite figure out what she wanted to say).
     
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  18. bobby_runs

    where would i be if i was my brain Prestigious

    Justice for RED. In my eyes it’s her magnum opus
     
  19. Craig Manning

    @FurtherFromSky Moderator

    I agree! She should have won for that one and not for Midnights, IMO.
     
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  20. awakeohsleeper

    I do not exist.

    1. Folklore
    2. Evermore
    3. 1989
    4. Reputation
    5. Midnights
    6. Red
    7. Lover
    8. The Life of a Showgirl
    9. Fearless
    10. Speak Now
    11. The Tortured Poets Department
    12. Taylor Swift

    Never got into the bottom four so hard to compare and contrast.
     
  21. dorfmac

    Trusted Supporter

    rank deez mfer
     
  22. dorfmac

    Trusted Supporter

    1. 1989
    2. Reputation
    3. The Tortured Poets Department
    4. Folklore
    5. Evermore
    6. Red
    7. Speak Now
    8. Fearless
    9. Midnights
    10. The Life of a Showgirl
    11. Taylor Swift
    12. Lover

    DEFINITIVE
     
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  23. Craig Manning

    @FurtherFromSky Moderator

    I like when someone drops a list where my response is just sheer bafflement -- as in "I cannot fathom the internal logic of this ranking." Anyway, @dorfmac just did that.
     
  24. dorfmac

    Trusted Supporter

    Haha I knew my list would not make sense to most of this forum. I can offer clarification in the sense that I don’t penalize for bloat. The more the merrier.
     
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