Taylor Swift - Reputation (November 10, 2017) Album • Page 46

I mean... this is lowkey a red herring and I'm not even sure how to address it because male artists write songs about *actually* cheating all the time that go over just fine. The scenario was presented as though that's not a thing that happens.

Female artists have done it too, but... that wasn't your proposed scenario. And again, it's more of a reach to interpret this as a song being about cheating than it is for a lot of other pop songs that have gone over just fine.

 

I'm not a fan of the misogynistic male songs about cheating either. I'm sure plenty of other people aren't happy about it as well, but that's more of a conversation on fans of certain genres.


Also Jason, what can I interpret the eye roll as?

 

my interpretation is she's doing what she did with Shake It Off and Blank Space where she says look I know this is how y'all see me so I'll play it up and reclaim it,doesn't work as well lyrically as Blank Space though obviously

 

told y'all she'd be here to be better at talking than i am.

 

I think the "ice queen" framing of women celebrities is annoying. I think there's a ridiculous double-standard for how women are expected to present themselves and they get shamed with pejoratives for what is celebrated in men.

 

I still don't get how you connect the dots from Taylor being upset she can't go fuck the guy because she is in another relationship and that would be cheating to Taylor actually cheating.

 

I think it's fair to be annoyed by that. I try reserving stuff like that for very few, and I try to equally give men shit if they are being a certain way.

I can understand how some people may be too sweeping in generalizations, but I meant it specifically in the context of the tone she was portraying in this campaign.

Off the top of my head, there aren't many other women I'd call an ice queen.

 

My main problem with this new single is that I already forgot what it sounds like (but I only listened once). The other two singles were extremely memorable

 

Ugh, the tweets linked in this article are so ridiculous.

 

Taylor has entitled fans?

 

people are real strange.

 

She isn't even obligated to meet any of them. I'm confused by people claiming "favoritism" as if Taylor knows every single fan she has

 

I’m in this weird place right now where my first reaction to Taylor Swift releasing music publicly is “she’s braver than I would be.”

I mean, the degree to which she is dragged whenever she does anything publicly is staggering. I honestly can’t imagine why she even gets out of bed in the morning. If I even suspect the assistants in my office are gossiping about me, I don’t walk to that part of the office for weeks. :/

I’d have packed it in and lived off of my vast sums of money a long time ago. Let them release all of my shit posthumously.

 

The "if men wrote this" angle I'm seeing a few places is rubbing me the wrong way.

 

As predicted, the responses to this album cycle continue to be the fucking worst.

 

What would be the appropriate way to criticize her lyrics and album cycle to avoid being assumed to be sexist?

(full disclosure: I don't keep up with any talk of this album outside of this forum and my good friend, so there may be some unfair and sexist attacks I am unaware of)

I worry that my intentions with my critiques are seen as a lot worse than intended.

 

"What if men-" THEY DO. EVERY SINGLE DAY. WITH NEITHER THE SAME AMOUNT OF SCRUTINY OR BLOWBACK.

Men can be actual abusers and have their careers move forward unscathed. Watch a woman so much as fight back or say she thought a guy was hot while she had a boyfriend and the world clutches its pearls. It's boring and I'm over it.

 

Amen.

It's weird, a guy clapping back on Twitter or in a song gets praised to no end. Everyone's giving back pats at how awesome he is. (Let's look at how bad that Eminem freestyle was and the amount of ink and love spilled as just one recent example.) But if a woman says anything she gets painted as petty/slurred and it's seen as a negative trait.

 

Avoiding gendered words, stereotypes, and comparisons seems like the easy one.

 

I don't like encourage or condone cheating but songs about them are just songs idk. Carly Rae jepsen has This Kiss which I love and jam to even tho I've never cheated. Gorgeous is just a silly song and I think people take her songs so literally all the time when they're not always. The song seems like it's just about when u get a shallow crush based on how cute someone is which is also a feeling u can have when ur not single. I mean I've been in relationships and still gushed over my celeb crushes. It just seems like a harmless this guy is cute gushing kinda song.

BASICALLY DONT MAKE ME DEFEND THIS SONG. NOT TODAY ON THE HOLY DAY OF FRIDAY!!!

 

My bad. Taylor has taken on an Ice (royalty-person) persona.

 

I can’t tell if this is supposed to be funny, or if you’re proving my point about the shitty stereotype gendered stuff by missing the point entirely? Like, you ask how to not do something ... and then come back with this kinda post ... whatever.

 

yeah I never thought I'd be defending Taylor's Reputation (tm), 2017 truly is wild

 

An easy 5 step system for figuring out if your critique is sexist:

* Take the phrase/descriptor and analyze what characteristics you're describing. Be honest. Personality? How the person is dressing? Actual content?
* Think about men you'd apply those same characteristics to.
* Reverse the process. How would you characterize those men, with a mere phrase or descriptor?
* Is it still a pejorative when reversed?
* ...are you being honest?

If not, then you were being sexist and intent is irrelevant. If so, then tbh you were still using gendered insults which come with a ton of connotations that *ought* to concern you if you didn't want to perpetuate sexism, so finding (non sarcastic) non-gendered language to convey your feelings is your homework.