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Taylor Swift - Lover (August 23, 2019) Album • Page 134

Discussion in 'Music Forum' started by Garrett, Apr 25, 2019.

  1. Zilla

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    Ed’s a total coward and will probably out a photo of them on IG that will say “Thinking about my friend.”
     
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  2. irthesteve

    formerly irthesteve Prestigious

  3. a lack of color

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  4. irthesteve

    formerly irthesteve Prestigious

    LOL @ Taylor posting a public statement with a ton of details, then Big Machine... talking to TMZ for a post. Ok
     
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  5. iCarly Rae Jepsen

    run away with me Platinum

    Taylor would place her , pardon the pun, reputation on the line by lying and would be labeled difficult
    It makes no sense
     
  6. cshadows2887

    Hailey, It Happens @haileyithappens Supporter

    Imagine taking the side of the people blatantly profiteering off of work they had no hand in making. Being on the side of "actually" and "technically" while an artist's lifeblood is bring commandeered to make a buck?

    People are the fucking worst.
     
  7. mattfreaksmeout

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    The thing about the "who cares she's rich" thing is like.. this really doesn't have anything to do with money from her end. She is not going to make more or less from the AMAs show whether she performs all new songs or whether she performs old songs. It's just about allowing her to celebrate her legacy like she deserves.
     
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  8. MacbethSin

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    This is the take I was looking for. "They're well within their legal rights!" is not really the point here
     
  9. Wouldn't it be cool if record labels were ONLY distributors? Like, they don't "own" anything, they just get paid for pushing your album to stores/radio/television/etc. The only contract that's signed is something like "you owe us X amount for doing this and this and this for you, but that's all."
     
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  10. iCarly Rae Jepsen

    run away with me Platinum

    Legends supporting legends
     
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  11. irthesteve

    formerly irthesteve Prestigious

    That's actually called a "distribution deal" haha
     
  12. DandonTRJ Nov 15, 2019
    (Last edited: Nov 15, 2019)
    DandonTRJ

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    That's what I don't get about this controversy. If an artist doesn't want to sell their masters, they don't have to! If they don't like a contract clause, they can reject or revise it, or move on to a label that doesn't mandate it! But if they want a specific record label to spend gobs of money on marketing and promoting them as unknowns, they need to trade collateral to protect the label in the event of an artist walk-away, and that would be the recordings. Young, old, man, woman; that's the deal, and it can suck. But now we're all trying to reverse engineer a solution that involves either mob justice (I can't come up with a more charitable term for "please harass my enemies") or dismantling basic tenets of contract and copyright law, which are largely petrified within a web of model state acts and international treaties (and therefore will not and cannot happen). And we're ignoring the parts of the law that Swift either still can use (copyright terminations) or could have but didn't (contractual rescission). Hell, we're ignoring the facts we don't like! This is the latest escalation in a business dispute, and we're apparently forgetting the last punch was thrown by Swift herself ("I'm going to destroy the value of your purchase through re-recording"). Braun's threat, such that it was made, was a tit-for-tat -- "if you weaponize parts of the contract to hurt me, I'll weaponize parts of the contract to hurt you" -- yet it's being discussed like unprovoked, vindictive persecution. Which is, of course, a much cleaner narrative to stan. But it just doesn't capture the complicated truth of this whole mess.

    ADDENDUM: Also, yes, I know I'm sticking my head in the lion's mouth on this one, but look, literally all I do for a living is work to help artists. I see a lot of shitty business practices by record labels, and I sue a ton of them over it! But on this, I just don't see where the system failed Swift. There were choices made that no safeguards could prevent, and people are signing off on some incredibly problematic negotiation tactics right now (i.e., foreseeable doxxing) that I don't think have been completely thought through.
     
  13. iCarly Rae Jepsen

    run away with me Platinum

    Found it guys
     

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  14. mattfreaksmeout

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    The funniest part is.. they are not, which they themselves admitted.
     
  15. DandonTRJ

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    That part is actually blurry and could depend on a few different factors. A live broadcast can still be simultaneously recorded for retransmission purposes, and one could argue that falls within the restrictive covenant on re-recording in Swift's contract, depending on if it remained "fixed" for a non-transitory period of time. The Cablevision case from about a decade ago gets deep into this concept. It's not a home run, but it's a colorable argument that, by itself, wouldn't get you laughed out of court. That said, if the award show represents (or the parties just stipulate) that they won't be using any tech like that, it cuts the legs out from under the argument.
     
  16. bobby_runs

    where would i be if i was my brain Prestigious

    I’m honestly surprised some Swifitie hasn’t started a GoFundMe to buy the masters back.
     
  17. janexo

    Regular

    Ed’s manager posted a now deleted tweet saying something along the lines of “just because he hasn’t said anything on social media doesn’t mean he hasn’t reached out”.

    Didn’t seem to have trouble publically reaching out on that bullshit bieber insta post tho :poop:
     
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  18. irthesteve

    formerly irthesteve Prestigious

    I'm not saying it's a good thing, but it is true at least that Ed historically reaches out privately, not publicly. Again, not saying that's a good thing, just a true thing.
     
  19. irthesteve

    formerly irthesteve Prestigious

    Ariana posted this today, she needs a break so bad

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  20. irthesteve

    formerly irthesteve Prestigious

  21. I picked up Lover on vinyl lastnight while I was at Target!
     
  22. Yup i got that color variant too - it’s a really well done pressing as well!
     
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  23. I haven't opened it up and played it yet, but I'm excited to!
     
  24. irthesteve Nov 18, 2019
    (Last edited: Nov 18, 2019)
    irthesteve

    formerly irthesteve Prestigious

    Confusion Abounds Over Taylor Swift’s Performance at the American Music Awards 2019

    A representative from Dick Clark Productions, however, denies taking part in the statement. “At no time did Dick Clark Productions agree to, create, authorize or distribute a statement in partnership with Big Machine Label Group regarding Taylor Swift’s performance at the 2019 American Music Awards,” they write. “Any final agreement on this matter needs to be made directly with Taylor Swift’s management team. We have no further comment.”