The drums don't sound like any drums that have ever existed. Same with the Lostprophets and Good Charlotte albums he did. Kick is like a pen hitting a thick stack of paper, snare is like someone saying "poof" into a mic. It sucks because there are some great songs on LN but the drum tones take me completely out.
Whenever I listen to LN, it’s tough to enjoy thoroughly. It’s always disappointing when a bunch of great songwriting goes toward an album that sounds terrible.
Yeah it always bugged me on those records, especially the way the cymbals sound nonexistent at times too, but yet you can always hear that completely plastic snare way too loudly. I don't mind it that much on Louder Now, but moreso on S/T. I was surprised they brought him back and I wish they didn't knowing what happened with the demos.
Hey! Is this really Matt Rubano's official Twitter account?? Why doesn't it have the blue check by it?? https://twitter.com/matthewrubano?lang=en Did I get duped?? (the link to AVA is wrong, but the AVA account links him here. hmm)
thanks. So folks, is it cool that I like got to have a chat with him tonight?? (I took it has pretty cool anyway...and I asked him to say hi to Tom (Delonge) for me. ) I also, of course, said how much I like TBS too (and not sure if he saw my side tweets, but I actually really like his eras best. shhh. not that I don't really like Tell All Your Friends tho, for instance, but hey! WYWTB was my first)
I'm curious as what led to the band's dip in success after 'Louder Now', as it seems from the outside looking in that they were getting bigger and bigger, but by the time 'New Again' that all changed? I mean in terms of venue sizes, and being a recognisable band in the larger "mainstream" music world. Sorry if I am re treading over old ground.
I wasn’t following the talk around them closely or anything at the time but if I had to guess, i think the combo of news of Fred leaving and a weak first single on New Again probably contributed. I know not everyone feels that way about Sink Into Me but I just don’t think it was a strong song that hit the right poppy notes to go as big as the LN singles
I remember there was an interview with Mark and Adam where they discussed 'New Again', and they touched on the drastic change from playing to amphitheatres and arenas on 'Louder Now', to then small clubs on the 'New Again' cycle.
I think both of those ideas make sense but I think a bands success at a given point is often more reflective of the success of their previous album. Maybe I’m biased by my knowledge of the amount of people who attend shows in the present day for nostalgia, but would the casual fans that make up a large part of shows even know Fred was gone? I was/am a big fan but that news didn’t really phase me much.
Also think some of their peers started dipping in popularity around the same point. Pretty sure The Used had a string of top 5/10 billboard albums and were playing relatively big venues as well. They dropped off. they weren’t quite as big, but I think 2008/2009 was around the period Thursday, Senses Fail, and Motion City Soundtrack dropped off in mainstream popularity as well. Could have been burnout within the scene and that whole mall emo wave dying down
yeah also agree with this. The “scene”s moment in the son as the popular music was starting to fade at this point
The scene was definitely dipping at that point, but also I think it turned people off with the change in style. It came out in the summer of 2009, maybe Summer Man would've been a better lead single? I dunno, I still love New Again much more than anything they've released afterwords.
I think New Again is tied with WYWTB for my favorite TBS album. Always bummed me out that the band seems to dislike it
Fred leaving was a big part imo. Not just due to his contributions but also because of the stigma of the band going on their 4th album while going on their third guitarist/dual vocalist. I remember the day I saw the news of Fred leaving and was so bummed. Speaking of dual vocals, New Again was a completely different shift in style for the band, which also probably turned off some fans. Also, as others have said, the scene in general just seemed to take a huge hit around that time frame and combined with the above, led to a decline in popularity.
I think the gap between Louder Now and New Again probably lost them some casual fans. Three years is a while to be out of the lime light.
I think this is exactly it, which also happened to correspond with the dip in mainstream popularity of “Emo” music. It was a perfect storm that allowed them to blow up the way they did, and also a perfect storm that brought them back down to earth