Taking Back Sunday - 152 (October 27, 2023) Album • Page 107

Weird how like a month or so ago I said good riddance to Mark because of his beefs causing band members to get kicked out, and I got flack for it, but now it's just being openly embraced in here now lol

 

Hah, would be kind of interesting if political beliefs played a part in the split. The members don't get too publicly political very often but John def seems like the most libbed up and has alluded to political topics before on socials, and if I were stereotyping Mark, he def gives off douchey long island bro vibes that could clash with that hah.

 

For what it’s worth - John and TBS band account are now following Fred. I am pretty sure they were not prior to this weekend.

(I still think it’s just a one-off)

 

Interesting...

 

Those videos with Fred put a big smile on my face

 

I definitely could have missed some videos or interviews, but what is the source on Mark's amount of songwriting on 152?

Personally, I'm over the moon they let Fred join them on stage and would be smashing that refresh button in the moments that tickets go on sale for a WYWTB tour with Fred (it would probably be Louder Now, but I'm wishin here).

Mark has always been a fantastic, consistent member of the band, but unless Fred has done something straight up unethical/unforgivable, a beef from almost 20 years ago surely isn't something he's leaving the band over...right?

and shout out to when Mark rejoins in 5-10 years

 

I'd like to see Fred back as much as the next guy, but please, god, no more anniversary tours.

 

Yeah, I am also fully on board with this. Would absolutely love to see them hit the studio with Fred instead and play a fresh setlist.

 

Fred being back would get me to a show for sure. Dude is incredibly talented and has always been my favorite member. Would love a WYWTB tour

 

I know Fred wasn’t there, but I feel like the 20 year tour just happened and saw both albums played. If they do a tour of them, I wouldn’t go.

 

I hope they play New Again to spite Greg at this point tbh

 

From all the different interviews and oral stories and etc, the gist I got from it all made it seem like some form of:
1. Mark liked writing and contributing to writing music for the band
2. Fred being a more classically trained musician was writing from a different perspective and "skill level", for lack of a better term
3. This is where the details get really fuzzy but it seemed to be implied a few times out there that Fred was basically writing off anything Mark was trying to contribue/changing it because it wasn't "good enough" (whether this is Mark's perception or what, who knows)
4. Mark took that personally, and on top of that you had the rumors of Fred claiming he wrote the majority of Louder Now and wanted more royalties and etc.

I mean if there's any truth to any of that I can see why Mark would still want nothing to do with him. One of those "and I took that personally" things lol

 

I just wouldn’t go. No loss for me.

 

their best actually

 

well, no

 

agree to disagree

 

never

 

Mark when he comes in the studio and sees Fred playing drums

 

It's cool as a one off thing, but idk how excited I'd be for Fred to come back in any permanent or semi-permanent capacity

 

More excited than to see him play in Say Anything for sure

 

As somebody who really liked 152 and that direction, it is difficult to imagine how Fred fits into the music making equation. If this were a thing that happened from time to time when they happened to cross paths at festivals, it would be a fun little treat, but I don’t think they would all mesh well as song writers.

 

I like that Fred looks like emo J Mascis

 

a wise sage

 

What does it mean to hi fi someone??