I'm saying that final season felt very sloppy and they were clearly flying by the seat of their pants by the end of it. It genuinely wouldn't shock me if they wanted to keep it vague and didn't consider that she technically wouldn't be able to do that
I don't get why people are so bothered by "making it up as they go along". That's how almost every show in existence works. Like, I can buy that they had some things in mind early on, but even during Season 1 they didn't know that Eleven was going to survive into Season 2. It's a creative process. Even Lost, like both things can be true: they can have certain things in mind that they'd like to do and certain things they have to decide in the heat of the moment. Like when the actor for Eko dropped out and they suddenly had to shoehorn his plot into Locke and I forget who else.
I'm genuinely not trying to be rude when I say this...but like, ambiguity is a thing. You don't have to believe everything a fictional character posits
This probably won't be a popular opinion, but if they come up with a good story, I'd totally be down for the cast all coming back in 10-15 years as "grown ups", It style, for another story. I have zero ideas on what that story could be because I'm not a creative person, but yeah.
I was going to post a Road Trip/Sean William Scott gif here, but I already asked if the mind flayer fucks in the cum room so I think it's on someone else to carry this on
The worst part about the show having dumb writing are the fans who won’t just accept that they are watching a show with kinda dumb writing. A big “plot holes” post came up on my feed and one of them is that Vickie is not mentioned in the flash forward…that is not a plot hole
Oh man I posted the gif not seeing that it flashes to the Golden Child which is even more awesome, great reference
Stranger Things Finale: Is Eleven Alive? Plus Vecna Killed and Rock Spinoff Matt Duffer: This is obviously intended to be ambiguous, right? With Eleven. At the end of the day, it’s being told from the point of view of Mike and his friends. And they don’t know, and the audience can’t know. If you knew that she was out there and you knew she existed, then she’s very much at risk. So we thought there was something really cool about not knowing for sure, and having our characters choose to believe. We just thought that was more powerful than providing a definitive answer, one way or the other. And I like that the audiences are in Mike, Max, Lucas and Dustin’s shoes, in the sense that they get to choose or not choose.
Unambiguously, this is a stupid conversation. Your explanation of the scene is that the writers are hacks who didn’t think it through. Yet, they obviously thought of the kryptonite aspect by showing us Mike realizing it at graduation. Now you’re acting all above me? Get real.
I think they are trying to have an ambiguous ending but that Mike explanation with the visual accompaniment makes it pretty clear they are leaning towards her being alive. This isn’t the Sopranos ending.