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Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (J.J. Abrams, December 20, 2019) Movie • Page 7

Discussion in 'Entertainment Forum' started by Jason Tate, Jul 6, 2018.

  1. I think Abrams did a great job of creating Rey and Kylo. Finn was okay in TFA and Poe was...whatever.

    Johnson did a good job of building off of TFA with those characters but really elevated Poe and Finn.
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  2. Kyle Max

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    I just want a scene at the end of 9 where all the randoms from around the galaxy fire up their lightsabers and we get that “oh shit the Jedi are finally back” moment.
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  3. FrenzalRob

    Melbourne, Australia

    Poe's shift in TLJ is one of my favourite things about the film. I love how he felt he was beating his head against a brick wall with Holdo, and his realisation towards the end of the movie of her sacrifice was a great moment.

    Oh wait, I'm a straight white male so apparently I have to hate how Holdo was mean to Poe and whine about it right?
  4. justin.

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    Lol what? Wasn’t Holdo a well received character?
  5. Matt Chylak

    I can always be better, so I'll always try. Supporter

    Outside of Luke, Holdo was THE most complained-about character online after the film. In short, some fans didn't like her because she was an obstacle to Poe.
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  7. aoftbsten

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    *reads the OP thinking, okay this is dumb, but maybe the first comment will be on point*

    *starts process of canceling internet subscription*
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  8. aoftbsten

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    The detail that people always seem to miss with Holdo is that she doesn't have a plan when Poe first confronts her. Before the First Order attacks, we hear Finn ask what the plan is and Leia says "we need to find a new base". AKA "we don't have a concrete plan right now, let's figure out where we are and then figure stuff out". Then the First Order immediately attacks. Holdo is trying to gather all the info when we first meet her and this recently demoted pilot comes at her demanding answers in a condescending way. She tells him to wait by his post and await orders. AKA, she'll tell him the plan when she has it and when he has a roll in it. Maybe Rian should have made this more overt, but it's all there people. It's all there.

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  9. FrenzalRob

    Melbourne, Australia

    I just find it so odd that people complain about Holdo emasculating Poe and how there's plot holes in her lack of explanation and how none of it makes sense and shit in a movie where an old man drinks blue milk out of a dinosaur titty.
  10. Dodger Jul 13, 2018
    (Last edited: Jul 13, 2018)

    “The greatest teacher, failure is”

    I actually see it differently. I think she knew the plan was survival and finding a base and all that. It’s more of a leader not needing to tell her plan to everybody in the Resistance, especially somebody who just displayed the type of reckless action that would jeopardize the mission.

    He took a squad of bombers (who in cobalt squadron just did something selfless and risky to save a system and were a huge asset) and basically sacrifices them all as if their lives are only pieces in a game of chess because he wanted to take out a dreadnot which gave them no advantage whatsoever. He showed he’s not a good leader and his opinion (at this time when the mission is survival not attack) is not what they need.

    I have friends and people in my life that I don’t trust telling certain things to because I know they would end up fighting/challenging me about it and it’s not worth it. She knew if she were to give Poe anything he would try to challenge her opinion on it.

    In a situation where time is of the essence, a leader needs to be decisive and purposeful. Part of being a leader is that people are going to criticize everything you do and think they can do it better like Poe and yell and scream (like he does when he does find out her plan and calls her a coward and knocks over a chair). You need to trust your instinct and your training and live with the consequences and the hate.

    People complain saying she’s a bad leader for not listening to her subordinates and being stubborn and pig-headed but you can’t trust every single person to understand your thought process and have to waste time making sure every single person is on board before going ahead with said plan. That’s why things never get done.

    ...not that there needs to be any more explanation than that but by having that side mission that decimated the Resistance from 400 to 15 people, and then organize a mutiny, she was validated in why she didn’t tell him.

    Thats the way I see the whole situation at least.

    Holdo reminds me of Rian Johnson, Kathleen, and any good leader or coach or artist that sticks to their guns in the face of the mob complaining about their decisions, thinking they could do it better, and will sacrifice themselves and their reputation like going hyperspace kamizakee into the “the supremecy” just to see their vision through that is for the best for everyone (in this case the best for the future of Star Wars in my opinion)
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  11. justin.

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    Modern SW fans continue to be insufferable. What she did to Poe was necessary to the story and Dern was one of the highlights of the film. Holdo also gave one of the most important sacrifices in all of the films.
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  12. aoftbsten

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    Totally I agree with all this. I just think in that first meeting, she knows the plan is survival, but she doesn't have all the x's and o's nailed down yet. Either way, I agree that she recognizes that Poe is not the right person to have when formulating a survival plan, so she (rightfully) dismisses him.
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  13. Brother Beck

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    The criticisms about Holdo not explaining her plan to Poe are some of the most annoying criticisms of this film. I don't know if it comes from complete lack of understanding of how the chain of command works or if it's a byproduct of how sometimes in movies people just say their plans out loud in ways they wouldn't in real life, whether they are superiors or villains or what have you. The way Holdo behaves in that scene makes perfect sense for a leader in a time sensitive situation. She actually kinda humors him a little bit in that scene when really he probably should be sitting locked up in the brig awaiting trial after disobeying direct orders and getting all those people killed.

    Holdo was an awesome character. I don't at all like how they chose to kill Admiral Ackbar off screen and explain it with line of dialogue but I get that screentime is limited and they can only focus on so much at once. Missing out on things like seeing Ackbar's death and Han's funeral to me are what make a scene like the chase through the casino *feel* like it goes on forever. It's not that it's a bad scene in and of itself, but it's a little silly and then you start to think about what stuff you may miss that maybe could've been fit if it was trimmed .
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  14. NitrateDawn


    Didn't the guy who played Ackbar die just after TFA came out? I'm guessing that's why it happened that way
  15. Sean Murphy

    moon pie, what a time to be alive. Supporter

    considering this film picks up right where TFA left off there probably hasn't been any actual time to grieve han yet, so I don't think we necessarily missed it.
  16. Brother Beck

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    I didn't realize this. That's a good point then. Still though, he's a pretty make-up heavy character - they couldve put someone else in the make up just to film a quick scene on the bridge showing him go out. For someone who was in the movies so much it would have been nice to give his death a moment on screen.
  17. bradsonemanband

    Prestigious Supporter

    I'll be pissed if there's no Therm Scissorpunch in Ep. 9
  18. Brother Beck

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    This is a good point. They kind of have their hands full being attacked by The First Order. Makes it a little tricky to stop everything and have a nice funeral.

    I watched the movies really far apart. I never got to go back and watch TFA before I caught TLJ. I don't have a good sense of the flow between the two. I wanna try to watch the two of them close to when Ep IX comes out.
  19. awakeohsleeper

    I do not exist.

    They need to set up the new Scissorpunch trilogy.
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  20. Dodger

    “The greatest teacher, failure is”

    Idk why, but I have a feeling the title will be blue this time.
  21. SteveLikesMusic

    approx. 3rd coolest Steve on here Supporter

    It’s gotta or green right ?
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  22. Your Milkshake

    Prestigious Prestigious

    the idea of Finn and his origin is maybe the most interesting thing in a SW character.

    Rey and Kylo’s have just grown to be more interesting as the plot goes.
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  23. Dinosaurs Dish

    Prestigious Prestigious

    I don’t know, I don’t really care about Finn’s origin.
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  24. Dodger

    “The greatest teacher, failure is”

    I could see them doing yellow just because it’s the conclusion of the Skywalker saga and it’s the classic logo. Not gonna be red. But yea I think blue or green would be the most likely. Idk blue just feels right
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  25. Dinosaurs Dish

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    I’ll guess white background with black letters.