Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (J.J. Abrams, December 20, 2019) Movie • Page 413

tpm is leagues better than the other two and it also sucks

 

I'm pretty sure everyone, including storm troopers, were going to have lightsabers. I know he had something written, but I'm not entirely sure on the details.

 

Finally watched this. As I expected, it was okay. Had some great moments, had some shit moments. It was nowhere near as bad as the internet has made it out to be but I knew that would be the case.

The easiest way to make it better is have Rey not be Palpatine’s granddaughter. 99% else could’ve stayed the exact same as they ended up doing and it would’ve made her character and the ending better.

3.5/5

 

Also, Zorii has the best uniform/helmet of anyone in the whole saga.

 

He would've revealed that the "will of the force" we always heard about was actually made up of a microscopic species called "the whills" who were all having their own cgi chess matches using our heroes as pawns. So, yeah, it actually could've been worse

 

Phantom Menace is automatically the best prequel because it was shot on film and because it gave us Duel of the Fates.

The other two just feel like tech demos.

 

What's crazy to me is, her being Palpy's grandkid or whatever barely makes the top 10 of issues I have with it. Her not being a Palpatine wouldn't really change much for me because there are so many other elements both in Star Wars lore and just in filmmaking practice that I wildly disagree with.

 

I remember doing a Star Wars marathon watch in high school and by the end of Episode III my eyes genuinely hurt from how bad and fake AotC and RotS look. At least with PM the overall aesthetic feels somewhere in the ballpark of the original films and it has a couple real highlights, even if everything else about it is a mess.

 

It’s my biggest issue because it’s so unnecessary and reversed what Johnson did in TLJ and one of the reasons that TLJ is so amazing.

 

Oh, I agree. Like..I hate it. I just hate SOOO MANY things that cracking the top-10 is hard lol

 

well the SW universe is interesting so maybe if you hate a SW films plot or minute to minute screen play, you may still get some nuggets of joy out of a watch

 

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Man how the FUCK did this movie happen, can't believe I'm thinking about this shit again lol no way they greenlit this story

 

they did tho. and they made a billion dollary-doos.

 

Maybe the Disney+ ROS will have good deleted scenes. I know some MCU films had exclusives scenes for Disney+

 

I cancelled my D+ a month ago maybe I’ll try and get a new free trial

 

Maybe something cool will come out of the movie like the clone wars came out of the prequels.

 

I’m still hoping we get an episode X and we get a satisfying closure to the Skywalker Saga

 

groan

 

Luke Skywalker's story had satisfying closure at the end of the original 1977 Star Wars, then again at the end of Return of the Jedi, then again at the end of The Last Jedi.

The vaguely defined "Skywalker Saga" is a haphazard soap opera mess that will never have anything resembling any sort of true satisfying closure, which is something Star Wars fans just gotta accept as a feature of this intellectual property.

Star Wars is now fully cemented as the film & multimedia version of mainstream comics, where the continuity is an incoherent mess, the familiar & nostalgic will never go away, & the content will pump out w/out end until we're all long gone. (And, also like mainstream comics in that the "numbering" means nothing, lol; if/when they someday throw together an Episode X someday, it'll be an arbitrary marketing ploy, like returning to legacy numbering for "monthly" comics.) All we can hope for are stories told here & there that work as satisfying complete stories to themselves, regardless of whatever comes before or after.

 

...which, honestly, this awful film finishing the job the prequels started of decimating Star Wars' "purity" or whatever is actually incredibly freeing to me, lol. It's not special or an event anymore for me. None of that pressure. Just a brand w/ a ton of content I get to not care about, but still w/ occasional products that I can just enjoy on their own standalone terms (like The Last Jedi).

 

The Skywalker Saga had a good ending and satisfying closure when the saga ended in ROTJ. It will be hard to provide such a universally liked ending again but if they try to tackle episode X in a decade or so they have a lot of time to prep for it.

What TROS provided was so lazy and illogical that it would be dumb, but not surprising, for Disney to end it there and say “oh well, we tried”.

 

I think one day Disney may decide that the prequel and sequel trilogies are Legends

lol

 

They could easily make a movie called "Star Wars Episode X: [something something whatever]" that's a very good movie. But, I think that's a different thing from some kinda mystical "satisfying closure" to the original film saga.

Like, let's say you make a new Rey Skywalker film in 10 years. You probably won't have any of the original cast left at that point, right? Maybe Mark Hamill will still be able to contribute to a Luke ghost? Dunno if Anthony Daniels will be realistic at that point. Definitely no John Williams score.

Which, I dunno. Maybe have Daisy Ridley, a Hayden Christensen ghost, Adam Driver in some capacity, & some form of Luke ghost presence? Have someone imitate Williams for the score, using cues from all past films? Ok, fine. What's the story? What's the threat? Palpatine from beyond the grave, again, going after one of Rey's students? More Sith cultists? Or, maybe tie the story to Maul somehow...? Like, I dunno.

At what point are you just making the Clone Wars cartoon, or Rogue One, or the main Star Wars comic series, or whatever, & arbitrarily calling that "Episode X"? What makes it "part of the Skywalker Saga," creatively speaking, when it's thus far been defined as specifically the nine "episode" films? As opposed to just another Star Wars thing.

And, if "the Skywalker Saga" means that little, then it will never end, in the same way that The Amazing Spider-Man & Detective Comics will never end. You can end a chapter, but the ongoing stories will never end.

 

I dunno. Maybe? I know that there's some precedent w/ that whole initial purging of EU continuity when Disney took over, but now that the structure exists as it does, I'd be shocked if that happened. Especially w/ those big films.

Feel like Star Wars going forward will follow more of a Marvel Comics approach to continuity than a DC Comics one (& not because Marvel currently publishes Star Wars comics). No line-wide reboots. Instead, an additive approach to continuity that features contradictions & retcons, but that mostly keeps everything significant as canon forever. So, like, no "The Phantom Menace didn't happen" or "The Last Jedi didn't happen," but probably a lot of "that movie didn't happen exactly the way you remember it." Which, kinda already exists in Star Wars, lol.

That being said, I do think we'll get recastings, partial remakes, etc. If the world doesn't end first, I expect to live to see a new film set during the original trilogy, featuring some of those familiar characters.