Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (J.J. Abrams, December 20, 2019) Movie • Page 363

Are any of the crawls good besides A New Hope?

 

“The Dead Speak!”...while I hate it, the exclamation point is an acceptable nod to “War!, and on metatextual level I kind of like how it tells the audience “we goin full vampire on this franchise”

 

me entering another online star wars conversation

 

I also assumed it was a call back to "War!"...at the end of the day though, I would have liked to have heard this mysterious message from Palpatine instead of being told about it lol

 

Oh it’s easy to hear it if you play Fortnite.

 

Reading about Palpatine coming back in the first part of the crawl is a very stupid way for the film to start. It gets the whole thing off to such a shaky start. It is doubly stupid they made the Palpatine stuff and then relegated it to Fortnite and didn't actually put it in the fucking movie.

 

This movie is good

 

Wasn’t The Last Jedi’s crawl essentially just a Force Awakens recap?

 

Oh god, really?

 

I appreciated the nerdy Episode 1 crawl...taxation! trade routes! In fact, I wish it started with "Taxation!"

 

Sadly it’s true.

The Dead Speak! Listen to Emperor Palpatine's Mysterious Broadcast from 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker'

 

Well this is really stupid. Goddamnit.

It would have been so much cooler if we spent the first like 20% of this movie uncovering the mystery of this mysterious message to the big reveal that Palpatine was still 'alive' instead of this+opening crawl declarations.

 

Episode X: The Purple Death

 

I'd say Rey fighting Dark Rey on the Death Star was prequels level bad. like that was some z-grade bad horror movie shit, it was insane it stayed in a movie with this kind of cultural currency

 

It reminds me of Luke in the cave on Dagobah

 

Went in for a second watch. The first time I saw this I walked out thinking it was one of the worst movies I've ever seen. The second time, I'll admit I had fun with it. Maybe it was that I've just come to accept all the poor decisions that are (still) baffling to me. The cocktails I had during the movie probably helped too. Mainly, I was able to laugh at the humor, mostly C-3PO and a few other lines here and there. Plus, I still enjoy the Kylo/Rey connection. Daisy and Adam really elevate whatever material they are working with. Unfortunately, every other character feels like their given busywork and zero growth.

Overall, I think I'm landing on the movie being fine, but frustrating given what came before it. I feel like JJ wanted to do Bendemption, but he wasn't creative enough to figure out how without a replacement for Snoke. So he brought back Palpatine, but also couldn't think of a creative way to do that, so he just made it so here was there all along. It's disappointing because Kylo is such an interesting villain and it just feels like he's being manipulated again. Plus, he literally had his shot at redemption in TLJ and chose his own path.

Rey Palpatine still bugs me the most. It's something I wouldn't have hated if JJ had just said it in TFA. It would be similar to Luke seeing the darkness of his lineage and rejecting it, but there could have been some interesting spins on it. But instead, he chose to leave it a mystery and then Rian had a much better idea.

I also disagree with this notion that this movie had to wrap up everything that came before. I really think it just had to wrap up this trilogy and just drive home the themes of the saga. Wrap up thematically so to speak. In its attempt to finish both this trilogy and the saga, we end up with a movie that ultimately feels disconnected from both.

 

Also, does anyone else think the explosion of Kijimi looks super weird? Something about it feels off and like a low budget effect.

 

Rey Palpatine is the absolute single worst aspect of this film for me, and even I agree that the idea has some serious potential for telling a very interesting story if it was something we were told in TFA and then developed along the way as opposed to the mystery box bullshit.

 

Thought that was done with practical effects/a model like the old days and found it kind of cool.

 

It feels completely unnecessary to the movie too. Like if we have to have Palpatine back, she still doesn't need to be related to him. Ultimately, he reaches his final form by sucking the force out of Ben & Rey, not just Rey killing him. Couldn't it just have been that he needed to sacrifice someone strong in the light and strong in the dark to return? Even if it is what JJ originally intended for the character, it just seems like it's in there to appease the "Mary Sue" crowd.

 

I always appreciate practical effects, but it just looks out of place in this particular shot.

 

Rey being a Palpatine adds absolutely nothing and only serves to be a hollow pointless reveal.

 

I fault Kathleen Kennedy for allowing JJ Abrams to come back for the third film and change all of the story groundwork that Rian Johnson had laid with TLJ no matter what he says at the press junkets. The overall story of this trilogy bounces all over the place while simultaneously going pretty much nowhere and that's a huge shame at the end of the day. JJ Abrams clearly didn't like the story choices Rian Johnson made, but at least he made choices and didn't just come up with a bunch of random mysteries and kick the can down the road for the next guy. The powers that be at Lucasfilm all signed off on and supported TLJ all the way through writing and production, so they clearly weren't upset with where the story had gone. They've shown what they do when they don't like how a story or production is processing on almost every single other modern Star Wars production. By the time TROS came around, even if they wanted to cave to the absolute worst, most toxic people in the fanbase, they should have known there are only so many fundamental story changes you can make that late in the game before the whole things just breaks and becomes meaningless.

From a financial and business standpoint, Kathleen Kennedy's resumé remains flawless with the modern Star Wars movies, but the productions have been rocky and creatively the main episode trilogy ultimately was a major disappointment.

I try to just watch people swinging laser swords and yelling "WOOOO!" and go along with the fun, but it is just so obvious watching TROS that Abrams had no idea what the fuck story he was even starting to tell in TFA or how to end it in TROS.

 

Yeah

 

Frick was dope though lol