Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (J.J. Abrams, December 20, 2019) Movie • Page 340

Family is a theme of these movies, but from the first movie the series has always really been about the struggle between good and evil. Particularly, after Empire/ROTJ/the prequels/TLJ, the inner struggle to be good and the temptation to be evil. Family has most of its bearing in Empire/ROTJ/the two Abrams movies, and I’m being generous to the Abrams movies because it seems clear what they want to be about, but I’d argue they’re largely thematic failures.

 

this almost redeemed the whole movie for me hahahha

 

give me a sw trilogy where the protag is a dark sider

 

I would love for someone to summarize how they think episode 9 should have concluded. I just popped in here and noticed alot of you didn't enjoy the film. What would you have done differently?

 

for starters don't have the same main villain as the OG triology pop up out of the blue with a chinese star destroyer factory

 

can we give this 10 years, then reboot the entire trilogy, but it has all the same lead actors and it's just Rian directing and writing the whole trilogy? aight sweet

 

If there really is one lesson in this for me, it's the benefit of having some consistency in the driving creative force. I don't think they needed to come in with a three-movie plan, but clearly sticking Rian in the middle and then reversing back to Abrams didn't work for me.

 

I got an email today from planned parenthood with the subject line "What Can You Do, Dave?" and i instinctually responded in my head "nothing since i'm not a skywalker or a palpatine." So like...message clearly received J.J. haha

 

There are so many answers to this. I didn’t have any one way I think it needed to end. But not having bloodlines dictate how strong force is would be a much much much better message to end on. Like, I guess the force is powerful, but ultimately blood decides how strong a connection you have instead of , I don’t know, the force deciding that. This movie basically brought back midichlorians and made it a genetic trait. I guess Kylo should have fucked Rey before he died so their child could be elite because of their bloodlines.

 

Hey, I'll play along. For starters, I wish they wouldn't have retconned so much of TLJ. If they didn't like the choices made in that movie, don't allow Rian Johnson to do it in the first place.

Kylo Ren deserved to be THE villain. He was easily the best part of this whole trilogy, and his redemptive arc could still have happened, but he didn't need to play second fiddle to Palpatine. Palpatine was only used to bring back in fanboys who hated TLJ.

I don't like that Rey was a Palpatine. I think she should've stayed nobody, because again, it retcons a really great, emotional scene with her and Kylo Ren in TLJ when he tells her she's nobody, and the way they work around that is clumsy.

 

God. That’s the message of this movie. Training doesn’t matter. Perseverance doesn’t matter. The force doesn’t matter. Your trust in the force doesn’t matter. Only your stupid blood does.

what a lame ass message to end this saga.

 

The beginning where Kylo is just wiping through a bunch of Mustafarians, I initially thought it was just gonna be a montage of crazy murder kylo and i was here for it. But then 15 seconds later, he's the servent to a new master.

 

I liked some of the ideas that TLJ presented as far as showing some of these other slave children being force-sensitive. Then you have the focus on Rose, Finn (who turned out to be force-sensitive) and Rey who turned out to be a "nobody" in that movie. It all reinforced the idea that they were all in control of their own destiny, and it really didn't matter where they came from (or if other people perceived them as "special").

I feel like they still sort of went this direction in TROS as far as Rey being in control of her own destiny, but the themes about not having to be a "somebody" were all but undermined by the reveal of Rey's lineage.

I feel like they roughly had that thematic ending in mind nearly the whole time but decided to zigzag when they got to this movie. I know I'm oversimplifying it a bit, but I couldn't help feel like they basically said "No thanks children from TLJ, we won't need your help after all. Leave it to the important people."

 

I really wish this could've been split into two movies that shows Kylo hunting the galaxy for that, because it is such a cool scene and it taking place on Mustafar, where Darth Vaders HQ was, along with the fact that the Wayfinder WAS Darth Vaders was completely glossed over in the movie and it is a cool detail.

 

Why didn't they just call it a holocron

 

because that's not nearly enough exposition. We need to specifically make clear to everyone that this is a wayfinder to help people find their way somewhere.

ugh.

 

It's like the more I talk about this movie, the more things I find that make me go "OH COME ON ABRAMS WHAT!?"

Like I haven't even fully been enraged by the notion that a deathstar sitting in neverending waves would keep the perfect form to match the dagger that is both a maguffin and also luckily enough the murder weapon of rey's parents lol.

 

It doesn’t say that though. When does it ever send the message you don’t need to train or persevere? Rey needed training. Never did anyone succeed in what they tired to do by no training or having no perseverance and only relying on their bloodline. If anything the films have sent the message that even if you have blood of strong force wielders, you still need to train and learn how to use the force or you’ll never succeed.

 

Ultimately, what made Rey so powerful was her bloodline. Did she train? Yep. But without her blood it wouldn’t have mattered apparently. Like those other things help, but she was strong with the force out of the gate and that was no training or anything else other than the strength of the force dictated by her stupid bloodline.

 

Rey definitely didnt train to use a second lightsaber gifted to her at the most convenient time that ended up being the tool she needed to actually beat palpatine.

 

Also, why is Luke's house like perfectly preserved? Didn't it get burned lol

 

they’re more positive on it than I was expecting tbh

 

Blood dictating the force is so lame.

 

But Seriously, How the Hell Is Emperor Palpatine Alive?

I have so many questions about this movie, this being one of them. I think I need to prepare myself for a long podcast.

 

Just like how Luke was strong in the force prior to training but neither one would have be able to do what they did later on without training. If you think Rey’s is dumb but not Luke then I don’t understand. They both needed training regardless of their blood

I don’t see how the two relate? She didn’t use the 2nd saber until the Jedi from the last spoke to her and she said they were all inside her. That has nothing to do with her bloodline. She wasn’t related to a single one of those Jedi that spoke to her.