Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (J.J. Abrams, December 20, 2019) Movie • Page 320

Luke mentions him, but not by name in TLJ. He says a jedi master was responsible for the training and creation of Darth Vader.

 

fair enough. it does strike me a bit odd though with how obsessed this trilogy was with the past, that one of the central figures was essentially absent. can only imagine it’s because alec is dead but ... they had no problem using ewan’s voice for like 0.2 seconds.

 

I didn’t mean to try to negate your point. Just a slight clarification on one aspect. And I guess he was Ben’s namesake.

but beyond that, yea, he was mostly ignored.

 

This is the first time I haven't gone to see a New Trilogy movie on opening night because of how I was uninterested I was with TLJ. But I saw the new one last night. I could write an essay about how I feel but long story short, I'm disappointed. I've read through this thread and I agree with many of the points made by users here expressing frustration. It's crazy to think of how excited I was for Episode 7. From when it was announced I thought about it every single day until it was released. Fast forward to right now and it feels like we ended up with a half-assed story. It's truly a shame. I'll never say no to new Star Wars content because I know there are still possibilities for great storytelling (Mandolorian, RO, etc.) but man, I am disappointed and it hurts to say that.

 

yeah the force having the ability to magically heal people like those hearts in Super Mario 64 really took me out of it

 

He tried to convince her into thinking the only way to save her friends would be killing him and controlling his fleet by turning to the dark side. I’d consider that trying to manipulate her. He just failed at it.

 

Force healing has been a around for decades, just not in canon until recently. So it didn’t really bother me. I do think it was overused here. And even in the EU it wasn’t always that simple and it took training.

 

my gf doesn't like that i keep doing my palpatine voice

make her stop

 

I guess it just wasn’t clever. This is the guy who manipulated a galactic civil war to gain power. He fooled the galaxy.

Metaphorically pointing a gun at someone’s friends and saying do “x” just doesn’t hold the same weight.

 

It’s treason then

 

Palpatine was definitely the weak point of this film. Much of what he does logically makes little sense and was structurally fan service.

 

Let me preface this by saying I LOVE TLJ and also would have preferred Rey not be a Palpatine:

Why are people acting like this “twist” invalidates something essential about Star Wars? I 100% agree that it walks back one of the core themes of TLJ, but I think it’s very consistent with the core themes of Star Wars.

For example, I keep seeing people reference Luke’s humble beginnings as a nobody in ANH. Did we all forget that before he ever leaves Tatooine he learns from Ben that his father was a Jedi knight? Luke was always special because of who he is, but also because of who he’s related to. Anakin, of course, is a literal creation of Palpatine.

So Rey being a Palpatine is incredibly consistent with Star Wars. This has always been the story (saga) of one family (The Skywalkers) and a few other key people/families around them (Yoda, Obi-Wan, Sheev). I understand the disappointment of not continuing to pull on that thread from TLJ and, like I said, I’m pro-TLJ and anti-Rey Palpatine (for the most part).

I just think it’s dishonest to say that this is a betrayal of Star Wars. It’s actually a continuation of what Star Wars has been. No important character has ever been a true “nobody.” Luke is Vader’s son, Leia is his sister, Anakin is Palpatine’s creation and apparently, Rey is his grand daughter. If you’ve got a problem with that (which is 100% understood by me), you’ve got a Star Wars problem, not a RoS problem.

 

$90 million opening day. Lower than TLJ and TFA but still really good. That should shut up those “Star Wars is dead” fools

 

I have seen absolutely no one say Luke was a nobody in this thread.

 

I mean, originally Luke WAS a nobody lol

 

I understand no one is saying Luke is a true “nobody.” I’m just saying it’s like we’re all forgetting that every important character in StarWars from 1-8 is a somebody... and now we’re mad at RoS for making Rey a somebody too.

I personally wish they had made a different choice and don’t think it was done well. I just think it’s a weird criticism when that is what Star Wars is. I understand wanting Star Wars to do something different... but 8 movies before this one have shown us that apparently that isn’t the message of Star Wars. Choice vs Destiny certainly is! And Rey exemplified that in this film.

 

I had an idea two years ago (fresh off the end of TLJ) that it would be a cool plot point if the First Order had started kidnapping Force sensitive children around the galaxy to condition as soldiers, but since we’re back to the aristocratic vision of the Force, where only a handful of people from the same couple families are Force sensitive, that wasn’t really going to work in this one I suppose.

I was just texting a friend about this last night actually lol turns out, whoops, Force healing is a Light side ability after all.

 

this is patently false. Ben tells him before he ever leaves Tatooine that he is the son of a great Jedi knight. Then, one movie later, we learn that he is the son of the chosen one.

 

Lmao no. Originally Darth Vader was not intended to be Luke’s father. And the prophecy of the Chosen One wasn’t a thing until The Phantom Menace. In A New Hope he was just a farmboy from a desert backwater who found out his father was a respected Jedi. It was about how anyone could come from even the humblest beginnings and take down an Empire. It was only after they started writing sequels that all the extra stuff was piled on.

 

The Last Jedi literally ends on a shot signifying that anyone can be the hero. That bloodline means shit.

 

baby yoda force heals: i mean, i would give my life for this puppet. i would kill my dog with my own hands if it meant this puppet was on two more episodes of tv

rey force heals: this is overdone fuck you you piece of dogshit

 

All I know is, the entirety of the Jedi Order and all those younglings constantly getting trained in (lol) literal classrooms in the prequels had to come from somewhere. I find it hard to believe the same few special families were pumping out that many kids.

Not that I necessarily want to bring Harry Potter into this but it always seemed like being a Jedi worked the same way as being a wizard/witch did there. Like even people with non-Force sensitive parents could spontaneously have enough midichlorians to become a Jedi.

 

Yeah I always thought that was the case just because of how many were across the galaxy. I also bought that it could be a family thing as well and that’s what the movies chose to highlight.

 

I know there’s been a bunch of discussion since this, but the massive massive difference between these two situations is that Luke DIDN’T kill him. Or Vader. Rey did.

So what, was it some kind of weird logic loop like, “Oopsie, I said that if you kill me it will be in anger so you’ll be a Sith and that’s just the facts,” and somehow that sealed her fate? Does that mean she actually fell to the dark side before dying? Who gets to decide what’s justified and what isn’t? Or what’s in anger versus “saving what we love”?

The final battle being a convoluted mess of technicalities and hard to follow stakes was just another of the many baffling decisions they went with. I’d also like to read any dark Rey pieces @Jason Tate comes across because that’s the most interesting thought to come out of that weird choice.

 

Of course there are many Jedi from all kinds of families. But the central characters have always been related. I’m not saying that’s a good thing - but it’s true.

and I know (like everyone else) that Vader wasn’t originally Luke’s father. But Luke was related to a great Jedi knight from the beginning of the story. He was a somebody. You are all confusing your vision for George Lucas’.