Spider-Man: No Way Home (Jon Watts, December 17, 2021) Movie • Page 69

Making Ironfist canon doesn’t change how awful the character was in the show.

 

Kevin Feige and Amy Pascal on the Future of ‘Spider-Man’ and the M.C.U.

"Amy and I and Disney and Sony are talking about - yes, we’re actively beginning to develop where the story heads next, which I only say outright because I don’t want fans to go through any separation trauma like what happened after 'Far From Home,'" Feige confirmed, referring to Spider-Man 4. "That will not be occurring this time."

 

If by "right back into danger" you mean that they would feel obligated to help him and then be in danger, then sure, but that would happen to anyone who he lets know his identity. So is the solution then for someone to never know his identity? I'm not sure Strange's point was for Spider-Man to never be honest with his loved ones.

This comes back to a trope in comics that I frankly hate; the idea that the hero can never be happy. It's this line of thought that caused One More Day and it's also a plot point that DC loves to examine with Batman every year or so, but it's frustrating because it means characters can never grow as people and develop fulfilling relationships.

I'm not saying the next movie should bring them right back, but I'm saying to never address things with Michelle and Ned in a future movie would be a disservice to the characters and to the fans, frankly. I'm not saying do it right away, but do it eventually.

Not really caring.

 

Yeah Andrew Garfield’s character pretty much went through that already. He knew to keep away from Gwen, but instead chose to still be close to her and she ended up dying. I don’t think they’ll have Tom’s character go down the same route.

 

I mean, I already said basically exactly this lol.

But yeah, anyone who cares about Peter and knows his identity will willingly put themselves in danger to try and help him. That's practically the whole conflict with Peter's secret identity and why he doesn't/shouldn't just tell his friends. I like that Peter, and any hero with a secret identity, has to try and strike the balance of being honest with the people they love and keeping them safe.

And there are people who can/should know. I was actually a big fan of Ned finding out in Homecoming. Even though we didn't see the start of it, the movie did a good job of making it feel like the logical next step for their friendship. The issue is that, until this movie, it didn't feel like MCU Peter really understood what was at stake as far as people knowing he was Spider-Man beyond "Oh man my life would get pretty crazy if that got out". I like that this is a clean slate for him to figure it out now that he understands the risks and consequences.

 

I thought we were at odds and instead we were at evens.

 

“Separation trauma”

Haha. Good lord. Fans acted like a bunch of babies unti they got their way. That’s not trauma.

 

MCU storytelling has more in common with WWE than cinema, in this column I will

 

50 different people, 50 ideas of cinema. Not really interested in first semester film school takes on the MCU being poor, though. Feige and his team have accomplished wonders while many studios have tried to replicate it and have failed.

 

This was fun. That’s my entire opinion.

 

It’s a smart move to say this to avoid getting asked about Spider-Man 4 in every interview. This is to comfort journalists more than fans.

 

I watch MCU films in the cinema but not WWE. Checkmate

 

I'd pay to watch a rematch of the three Spideys vs Electro, Sandman, and Lizard but in a WWE ring

 

You are obsessed.

 

I'm taking part in movie discourse for a movie I'm gonna see on a forum where I'm a member. I know my thoughts on the MCU are strong and contrary to most people in an MCU movie thread's thoughts, but I didn't think that post was so offensive

 

That was arguably one of your more positive takes on the MCU (especially in an MCU Spidey thread)

 

I would give anything to never see electro again lol

 

I actually enjoyed Jamie Foxx as Electro in this.

 

Yeah I liked him in this. Feel like there was a ton for him to do but it was better than TASM2

 

He was solid, played to his strengths as an actor without overdoing it and is exactly who the TASM 2 Electro should’ve been.

 

So much of this movie went exactly how I wanted it to go

Goddamn I loved it

 

Feels relevant, but Marvel is already involved with Pro Wrestling!

 

Well yeah, that’s how he got his start

 

Ok, weird that it took them seven and a half years to finally make another live action Spider-Man film. And, when they did, they had to spend the first half hour or so making an unrelated sequel to Iron Man Jr: Far From Home guest starring Doctor Strange, with a gratuitous Matt Murdock cameo… before using the most convoluted nonsense to throw that one into the multiverse and jump into a sequel to the first five Spidey films.

But, when they made that leap, and especially once they locked that Strange douche into the mirror dimension, oh my gosh did this turn into extremely my shit.

I have complaints that I’m sure I’ll get to as the conversation progresses (over endless years, I’m sure, until we’re all dead), but the main compliment I wanna drop in this initial reaction is this: I’m so happy that the central conflict was about curing the villains, and they actually succeeded! I was so worried early on that this would have the opposite message, but no! Even after the Goblin killed May, the moral of the story was that saving them instead of leaving them to “their fate” was the right thing to do. The great responsibility was rehabilitation. No clue how the writers of that FFH shit landed on that this time.