Spider-Man: No Way Home (Jon Watts, December 17, 2021) Movie • Page 21

Spider-Man 3 is a lot better than people give it credit for tbh

 

I was surprised at how fun I found it on rewatch.

 

Spider-Verse
Spider-Man 2
Homecoming
TASM
Spider-Man
Far From Home
TASM2
Spider-Man 3 (even though I think it's a fun watch and overhated)

No real hot takes here. I like most of these movies.

 

Having just watched it and hating the design as well, I think they did a good job with the character once I was able to look past the design (which to your point was not easy). There’s two scenes where he wears the lab coat as the Lizard and I don’t understand why they didn’t make that a permanent thing because it helps the design a ton and it’s so simple.

 

After Tom pretty much perfected how to play Spider-Man, everyone else pales in comparison. I've also never been a fan of either Tobey or Andrews portrayal. I still can't get my head round a skateboarding Peter Parker.

 

I’ve personally never got why it’s a big deal for a character to have a skateboard as a 2012 high school student, when he previously had a motorcycle while a 60s college student:




Andrew Garfield’s Peter has always felt like a reasonable take on the character that plays with the specifics but keeps the foundation in tact. Which, I’d also say about Tobey’s Peter, Jake Johnson’s Peter B. Parker, and Zendaya’s MJ. Somehow, unlike those examples, Tom’s Peter hasn’t gotten that foundation set yet for me.

 

The skateboard felt like a prop to me, as someone who grew up skating and hung out with skaters it felt the way skateboards generally feel in most movies: it’s there because someone thought it’d make their character look cool. It would have been helped if the Coldplay scene used like, Lagwagon instead.

 

spider-man 3 is so so so much better than both FFH and ASM2

 

Hopefully we can all put No Way Home in the #1 slot this December

 

My perfect on screen Spider-Man/Peter using aspects of Tobey, Andrew, and Tom's portrayals would be...
Tobey - Peter Parker
Andrew - suit, swinging/action
Tom - awkwardness as Peter, quips/comments as Spidey

 

Into the Spider-Verse
Spider-Man 2
Spider-Man
Spider-Man Homecoming
Spider-Man 3
Venom
Spider-Man: Far From Home
The Amazing Spider-Man
The Amazing Spider-Man 2

The Raimi movies are so special, and are the standard I hold every Marvel movie up to

 

The MCU Peter really needs to mature after No Way Home for this to work. It’s been like 5-6 movies now of the bumbling high school kid who’s saved the planet, gone to space, etc. The character really benefits if they do make the college trilogy imo and you have him really taking charge in NYC.

 

Something tells me it will definitely have EVERYONE’S favourite Spider-Man in it...!

 

I get where you’re coming from and don’t completely disagree. The skateboarding aspect does feel like a recommendation from corporate, because, the kids like skateboards, right? But, that side of it doesn’t really bother me. I’m pretty used to the Hollywood version of things being painted in broad strokes, lol.

And, honestly, that Andrew Garfield version’s relationship to skateboarding didn’t feel that far off from some kids I saw over the years in youth group (who weren’t “skaters”), lol, both as a student and as a leader. Which, comics Peter also had a bike without being a “biker,” so it all lines up for me, personally.

I have my own things that annoy me more when I see the Hollywood version, though, so I get it.

THIS, however, I vehemently disagree with! Throw Lagwagon into another scene, but like, that Coldplay sequence is perfect. The focus isn’t on the skating; it’s on the ~feeling~ of his budding relationship with Gwen. And, the blend of skateboarding, testing out the spider powers, and that song choice really gives me that ~feeling~. It gives me vicarious butterflies.

 

I’m too close to skating to let it slide haha. It’d be like if a character in a show or movie was supposed to be a comic nerd and constantly mixing up Marvel and DC characters. It’s not true to the culture of what you’re portraying. Coldplay and skateboarding don’t gel. Even if you want to find a song that can bridge the high octane skate action with the elation of what he’s feeling, there are better choices. I get what you’re saying though.

 

Fair, lol.

Full disclosure on my part, I did get into Avril Lavigne as a kid before I really got into any punk or punk-adjacent music… so my history in relation to this topic is literally the opposite of yours.

 

Lol same here. It was mostly boy bands and Britney Spears through elementary school, before discovering Avril. Then my cousin showed me blink's self-titled in 4th grade and here we are

 

After finding blink-182 and Green Day, the Tony Hawk games and skate video soundtracks were formative for my taste in music. Heck, Green Day or blink have the pop name recognition that Coldplay does while also having songs about girls/a bit of punk cred that speaks more true to skateboarding. If you wanted to go less obvious though, The Cure influenced Coldplay so there’s a sonic similarity, and they were in the Almost Round 3 video so there’s a skate connection there. with the New York connection, the Ramones are an obvious choice (that the MCU has been mining for their films).

For less obvious, Millencoin’s “No Cigar” and Lagwagon’s “May 16” were in Tony Hawk 2 and talk about being an outcast over uptempo, happy sounding music. I could dig deeper, if you want to go by what skaters were listening to in 2012, though honestly that’s a lot of Odd Future and eventually Chief Keef and that sort of stuff, which admittedly doesn’t quite square with Andrew Garfield’s Peter (though again, he’s got a Z Boys poster in his room so Coldplay doesn’t square either). Then I’d have notes on his wardrobe design and a few other character touches to slightly improve on the “generic cool guy loner” vibe he always gave me

 

Oh and I have roughly 5,000 notes on the skate choreography itself but even I can admit most people aren’t noticing how egregiously bad it is

 

My journey was… a little different, lol. Lots of Christian rock and pop, with a few scattered exceptions I stumbled on.

Which, thinking about it now, I definitely had a P.O.D. album that the Bad Brains singer was on, so no “punk adjacent” might’ve been a slight exaggeration… but, I really skipped the whole, like, pop punk thing as a kid. I was approaching 17 by the time I finally made it to Tooth & Nail and Solid State Records.

I literally think I listened to my first Angels & Airwaves album before my first blink-182 album, but don’t tell anyone.

 

Since this conversation has turned to punk… and it’s for a movie based on American comics… and independent comics aren’t discussed a ton on here…

Read some Jaime Hernandez comics, ya dorks!





Jaime and his brother, Gilbert (and initially another brother named Mario) launched Love and Rockets back in the 80s, and Jaime’s been keeping his Maggie & Hopey stories going in real time ever since. He’s easily my favorite living cartoonist.

If punk rock Chicano lesbian Archie with some wrestling and occasional nuggets of pulpy genre stuff sounds dope to you, check out his stuff. And, if it doesn’t, you’re a tasteless dweeb.

 

All 3 Peters. Andrew on top. Tobey in the middle. Tom on bottom.

 

It just looks like Tobey

 

In a Rob Pattinson biopic