Spider-Man: Homecoming (July 7, 2017) Movie • Page 69

Yeah, prior to this movie, I didn't know Zendaya outside of that god-awful Disney Channel show she was on. Not sure of my opinion, though, she wasn't really given a whole lot.

 

To be fair, it did have the training wheels protocol on it, so he shouldn't have been able to access it, but yeah, dumb move.

 

I loved Zendaya. *shrug*

Since the high school stuff was some of the best in the film, they should just get Kelly Fremon Craig (Edge of Seventeen) to do the sequel. Really lean into that asset.

 

I thought Zendaya was good

 

I haven't seen ASM2 and walked out saying this is the best Spiderman movie. Might have to say my favorite so I don't get hate in this thread

 

Hahahahaha that's great.

I hate the fact he wants out of the suit too. Just another case of an actor that just wants to ditch where he came from. He was barely a name before he became Cap.

I'm not a huge movie dude aside from the MCU but I can't name one successful movie he was in that's not Marvel.

 

I was trying to figure out if they wanted me to agree with Toomes there or not lol

100% did

 

I thought the "kill mode" in his suit made sense. We all know Tony is trying to prepare for the inevitable invasion from his vision in AoU. I see that as a way to help Peter when the invasion happens and he needs to help the avengers kill as many enemies as possible. It was locked away and only gained once the suit was hacked.

 

I'm gonna disagree and say that Evans would have been fine without taking the role. Maybe not HUGE but still known.

 

Yeah maybe I exaggerated but he wouldn't be nearly as big.

 

Maybe he would have been able to stay with Jenny Slate longer. lol

(just going off of celebrity gossip rumor mills)

 

Keaton's motivations were great. They weren't dramatized all that interestingly. The climax of his ideological conflict was taking down a plane that no one was on. Stealing from the Avengers is a solid thematic plot point to bring Keaton's motivation into conflict with the heroes, but the way it happened... an empty, unguarded plane that Spider-Man deals with while Happy ignores the crisis and Tony Stark isn't even aware it's happening, wasn't a satisfying resolution to Vulture's arc. There's no confronting it on Stark's end, or Parker gaining anything from it. It's far less personal than it should be.

Which is kind of how I feel about the whole movie. It's not as personal as it should be. It only really cares about Peter: his friends (Liz, MJ, Ned) only operate within their relationship to Peter and are barely fleshed out beyond him. Liz cares about the Academic Decathalon and likes Peter without much interaction between them, Ned mostly does whatever Peter tells him to and doesn't really care or change whenever Peter lets him down, MJ has a fun personality but no clear growth, dramatization, or personal motivations in the movie. I mean, at the start of the movie she said she doesn't have any friends. At the end she says her friends call her MJ and someone's like "I thought you didn't have any friends" and she's like "now I do" or something. What happened to her to change her? Why does she feel closer to anyone now? Where is that arc traceable?

None of this is to say the movie doesn't work. It's fine. It's fun. I can see why people are responding to it because I feel like it really epitomizes a few of my favorite core elements of Peter Parker as a character. But there's so much it doesn't do well at all, or really try to do. I love Spider-Man stories partially because of how many complex and interesting relationships Peter has, and in the best Spider-Man stories, often the stakes for those relationships build and build until they intersect with the superhero plot in a way that really feels impactful and forces Peter to make tough decisions and let people he cares about down, even though he's well intentioned and trying his hardest, and then those relationships build and change and grow based off what happened in the story. Homecoming is a long way from pulling any of that off in a meaningful way.

Again, it's a solid enough movie. But I find it lacking in a lot of key character and dramatic functions.

 

I've been waiting for a Mysterio film for 15 years now, so can we get on that?

 

Holland is waaaaay more dynamic and interesting than Garfields spiderman to me.

 

His Peter and his relationships with others was what my "dynamic" comment was about. His Spider-Man was pretty similar to Garfield's, his Peter felt very one note for most of the movie with the same beat.

 

Hollands more dynamic with this relationships and as Peter imo. Garfield was alright though

 

I prefer Garfield simply because he's a better actor and sold his material well. Holland was good, but I don't think there was much actual acting from him. Just lots of energy.

 

Where? The only moment he lets anyone see any other side of him beside cracking joke after joke or saying "omg this is the coolest ever" is in the scene with Aunt May. The rest is just lots of Sorkin spirit.

 

I thought that they cut away from the times where Holland could really shine. The party and the dance, if they had of fleshed them out more it could have been great. They seemed quite promising, and then there was nothing.

 

hes got a really interesting relationship with aunt may, his friends, stark, even the villains. he doesnt just crack joke after joke although he is better than Garfield when it comes to that. He felt more like a highschooler who was whisked into this crazy lifestyle and i think hes a much better character for it

Garfield feels like an american eagle model stumbled on set and started trying to act.

 

The scenes with her and Martin Starr were great

 

Garfield's performance in those movies was hindered by Peter Parker being written as an absolute asshole.

 

that too

 

I'd love Zendaya to become part of the Spider-Family. Spider-Girl maybe. Think she could be a ton of fun.

 

id be so down with that