Spider-Man: Homecoming (July 7, 2017) Movie • Page 22

Right and Holland very clearly isn't a clueless nerd when out of the suit. He's just an awkward teenager, but he's still incredibly intelligent and competent in all the ways he should be. Hence, the best Spider-Man we've seen yet.

 

anyone else think this trailer felt more like the last trailer you get before the movie comes out? I love things in the trailer, but wasn't blown away by it as a whole. definitely not thrilled with how much uncle tony is in it. still excited for the movie, but this trailer didn't hit me the way I'd hoped or expected from the "mcu" spider-man.

also never understood why people are hung up on this "peter needs to be a super nerd". in the original comics he was a nerd based on the nerd stereotypes of the time, think about what a science nerd is now, it works fine. I was hoping this trailer would showcase more of the john hughes vibe they said they were going for. they sampled a tiny bit but then showed more by the numbers superhero fare.

 

Yeah, I agree. I wasn't saying Holland is a clueless nerd, that was a dig at Maguire. Garfield is still my favourite at the moment, I'm gonna wait to see the full movie before I make any kind of judgement on how Holland compares.

 

Did not realize we had crossed over into "it's cool to hate Tony Stark" yet lol

 

Ok, fair. Maybe I'd be similarly frustrated if I didn't enjoy the Marvel formula enough to at least enjoy their worst movies (besides IM2, lol). Maybe you with these movies is like me with stuff like Watchmen and The Wolverine.

My biggest disagreement isn't with you not liking them ('cause... that'd be dumb), or with your assessment of what these films fundamentally are (much of which I think I agree with, actually). My "you hate Marvel" post was meant playfully, based on prior arguments; I'm sorry I didn't make that clear.

I'm just surprised that you think, in 2016, most Marvel fans aren't honest about their movies' flaws. Maybe it just feels that way 'cause you have such a different feeling about them. I know that, when I don't like something that's universally praised, it can feel like their blind to obvious flaws. (You know, like Tobey Maguire Spider-Man; something we agree on!) From my perspective, as much as I see people praise Marvel, I also see constant critiques. I haven't personally, myself, been in a conversation IRL or online about Marvel without their shortcomings coming up and most of them being accepted to some degree.

If this conversation made you feel like you can't criticize Marvel films without being attacked, I'm sorry. Fire away! It's fun seeing multiple well-articulated perspectives, and no matter how much I disagree with you, your longer posts are always very well-articulated.

 

Exactly. Even in his first appearance in Amazing Fantasy #15, he had the confidence to ask a girl out on a date. Maguire just never felt like Peter Parker.

 

It's more of a concern about how much screentime Stark is going to have in this movie. An argument could be made that Captain America: Civil War could have just as easily been titled "Iron Man: Civil War" and no one would've questioned it. I'm guessing he won't be in this movie nearly as much as he was in Civil War, but that last shot at the end of the trailer when he's suited up as Iron Man makes me wonder. Robert Downey Jr is of course great as Tony Stark, but I don't need to see him everytime Marvel introduces another character into their universe.

 

Unfortunately, the new formula for Marvel's non-origin story films going forward appears to be using them to facilitate smaller-scale crossovers. Stark in this one, Doctor Strange and Hulk in the Thor's next one, etc. I think everyone needs to recognize that because it's happening. And having Stark be the one who is in this one just makes the most sense.

That said, I'm willing to bet this trailer is over-emphasizing him because general audiences love him and he's a selling point of the movie. Also they want to make it clear that, yes, this is an MCU film not another Sony trainwreck.

But agreed re: Civil War. I always said it should've just been called "Marvel's Civil War" but hey, what do I know.

 

I think it looks pretty cool. I'm glad it's not "Spiderman + Avengers".

 

I think I like the international version a little more.

 

Some more thoughts, y'all:

Peter's friend's name, according to the internet, is Ned Leeds, but yeah, he's basically Ganke, lol. I don't necessarily mind, but when Miles and Ganke are adapted, general audiences will have a different opinion of him, which sucks.

Is it wrong of me to think the opening sequence was inspired by the Batman mask in Suicide Squad? lol. Common criminals with superhero masks are so fun to me for some reason.

The costume is like 90% perfect... but why the heck are those black bars still there? We have expressive eyes and web armpits, but we can't make those black parts disappear?

 

Enjoyed the trailer. Should be a fun summer movie at the least.

 

The spidey-webbed-wings that seem to unlatch was pretty neat.

 

The US trailer isn't great, the international one I think is far better.

 

I feel like theyre obviously going to put a lot of Iron Man stuff in the trailer as it's a big sell of this Spiderman movie that it's now in the Marvel universe. I doubt he'll be in the movie as much as he's in the trailer.

 

I agree, I feel like its PR control since the last number wasn't well received. It's just letting the general public (people that don't search out movie news) that it's connected to the Avenger movies, which people trust.

 

How old was Tom Holland when he filmed this? 18? He's ripped.

 

I have that too! I actually have two of them in case one breaks because my son (he's only a year old) loves it to death. He plays it over and over and over again. I could do without the occasional creepy children's laughter at the end of the song that seems to go on much longer than it should, but otherwise I love that thing.

So Peter's friend, who looks and sounds an awful lot like Ganke but is not actually Ganke, is Ned Leeds? Well god I sure hope they're not playing a very long, tragic game with his character.

 

Since Tony Stark will be further established as Parker's mentor in this movie, the opportunity for their relationship to eventually head in a darker direction (like in J. Michael Straczynski's run on The Amazing Spider-Man a decade ago) is there. I have no idea how they would get there, especially as this is a younger, less experienced Spider-Man, but I'd love to see a fight scene similar to this one on the big screen:

 

Andrew Garfield played Peter Parker like he was James Dean. His quips in-suit were fine, but as Parker he was mumbly and broody and written as a chauvinist. Civil War Tom Holland's energy was more in line with Peter Parker, particularly high school Parker interacting with the Avengers: excitable, nervous, genuinely funny sometimes but mostly word-vomiting. Spider-Man is my second favorite superhero so I'll see this regardless, but I'm actually more excited for Lord & Miller's animated Spider-Man than this, as they're just batting 1.000 and I'm 100% in on anything they do and, Ryan Coogler aside, live action Marvel isn't exciting.

 

been that way for about five movies now

 

I loved Andrew as Peter. More than I did Tobey.

 

For sure. Thought he was a great fit.

 

??????

 

seems like people have been tired of him for quite a while now, since like avengers 1/iron man 2 time