Spider-Man: Homecoming (July 7, 2017) Movie • Page 19

Maybe someone already mentioned this to you, but it's literally the title of the comic run they are supposedly adapting- not unlike Civil War, Age of Ultron or Ragnarok/Planet Hulk. Along with the information that each Spidey film will represent a sequential year for Peter in high-school, it makes a lot of sense.

 

I definitively do NOT think Rhodey should have died in Civil War, or that anyone needed to die in that film, lol. Like, I 100% agree that Steve shouldn't have broken everyone out at the end, but that's just because that decision undermines the film thematically. The letter itself doesn't neatly wrap up anything, unless you think beginning the healing process is the same as fixing everything. And, considering the state of the MCU, screw the idea that they should have killed "the black guy" for "the white guy's" story.

Infinity War and/or Avengers 4 should have a major death or two. If not, it'll be a wasted opportunity. (My top pick is Tony Stark. Either Clint Barton or Scott Lang could also work.) But, I really don't see the case that any specific prior film really needed a death to happen that didn't happen. If anything, I'd rather that they remain selective in when characters die so it never becomes a crutch, and also so characters coming back from the dead doesn't get overused.

 

No one said anyone needed to die, just that it feels like there're no stakes in these movies, which seems to be getting truer and truer

 

No, people definitely said that someone should've died.

 

I think people just want consequences for these movies. They are over 12 movies in and I think the only permanent death of a hero has been Quicksilver in his first appearance.

How many fake deaths have there been? They need to off someone. I agree having it be a black guy in a white guy story is probably not the best choice.

 

There is literally a post that says Rhodey should have died.

 

It does looks really bad tho.

 

I would have been if Han Solo didn't die in the first movie and there was talk of Rian Johnson being unhappy or leaving or something.

 

Fair. Disney and Trevorrow have me hesitant but a Rian Johnson Star Wars movie might be worth it.

 

what i'm really hoping happens in this is that Peter at some point (maybe due to ideological differences like in the Civil War comic arc) cuts ties with Stark and loses access to all of Tony's gear and upgrades and has to make his own/reverse engineer what he already got from him.

 

I get the fear of Tony as a recurring Deus Ex Machina, which is fair and hopefully won't happen. But, honestly, I don't mind his role as of right now. Young Peter's traditionally a loner, and I think that's for the better, but at the same time, Tony Stark in a mentor role could be really cool. They both are brilliant, inventive, quippy, adventurous, and obsessed with doing the right thing. (Heck, current comic book Peter basically IS classic comic book Tony, lol.) Tony is terribly selfish, but IM3 set the groundwork for him being down to invest in the next generation. Though, sure, throwing Tony into the Parker family's mix COULD upset the dynamic in a way that hurts in the long run. I guess we'll see.

 

I mean it's already happened. It's not a fear it's literally what the movies have done ... and they've suffered from it and sooner or later even the die hard Marvel fans are gonna have to admit it after allllll these movies keep suffering from the same issues and being as fulfilling as fast food and just as instantly forgettable.

 

@Jason Tate, you REALLY hate Marvel and its fans, don't you? Dang.

 

yes. i've been posting on various forums about it since Edgar Wright left antman

 

No I just wish one were honest and the other made more movies I really liked. Same as the last five+ years.

 

How are Marvel fans not honest, though? Like, sure, more passionate Marvel fans struggle to admit certain shortcomings, but that's the case with more passionate fans of literally every entertainment franchise in existence with passionate fans. I tend to see as many anti-Marvel hot takes as I see blindly obsessed fans, with the average person tending to enjoy most of their films but also have complaints with them.

 

Your second sentence answers your first.

 

Me: I wish Marvel fans were less extreme.
Immediately: Prove this to me and you hate fans and Marvel.



Somethings never change.

 

Only if you ignore the rest of my post. It's not an exclusively Marvel characteristic, and the vast majority of Marvel fans I see have criticisms of their films.

You just have a really unique disdain for specifically Marvel that I just don't understand, no matter how many times we have this conversation. I don't see how Marvel fans are different from Star Wars fans, or fans of anything else you and I like, or don't like.

 

I'm not doing this again. Every post proves my point more and more.

And if you have never seen Star Wars fans destroy Star Wars movies ... then ... um.

 

Some people in here are just tired of block busters. That's fine. I for one love the superhero and star wars movies just as they are. I don't see what complaining and then complaining about people defending them is going to do lol. It has nothing to do about being honest. Yes, these very well shot and acted movies that mix action, drama and comedy are formulaic. That's not a bad thing. We still have our Whiplash and Night crawlers, no reason to not enjoy these as well.

 

How... does my post... prove your point...?

I'm honestly just shocked that, in 2016, you think of Marvel fans as people who can't admit to the faults of Marvel films. The only people like that I ever see are the people who unapologetically love all big blockbuster films and ridicule all critics. Even the biggest Marvel fans I see tend to talk about some of their films being duds, and about their villain quality, and about the films having similar tones, etc.

 

Oh great, @Davjs liked my post. If he's on my side, maybe I need to go back to the drawing board. lol.

 

I love good, really well done, blockbusters. And Marvel has shown, at times, they can do just that. It's one reason why I'm critical when they come up glaringly short so much more often.

 

Got Kimmel on. Excited for this preview.