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Spider-Man: Far From Home (Jon Watts, July 2, 2019) Movie • Page 48

Discussion in 'Entertainment Forum' started by GBlades, Aug 1, 2018.

  1. What are the inflation adjusted numbers for the other movies?
     
  2. oakhurst

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    I can only find the domestic adjusted numbers, but all of the Raimi films would have made over a billion based on how much their domestic numbers increased.
     
  3. iCarly Rae Jepsen Jul 14, 2019
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    iCarly Rae Jepsen

    run away with me Platinum

    my main problem with this is that Tony Stark isn't a hero, if Elon Musk could spy on us all and kill us that would be bad
    also the vacation was shoehorned in

    make Zendaya the hero and not the love interest
     
  4. justin.

    請叫我賴總統 Supporter

    If Elon Musk was part of a team that brought half of all life back and then sacrificed himself he would be called a “hero”

    Tony Stark was known more as an Avenger that fought against aliens and didn’t revolt against the government like Cap. I can see why he would be called a hero.
     
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  5. CobraKidJon

    Fun must be always. Prestigious

     
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  6. oakhurst Jul 14, 2019
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    oakhurst

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    He’s THE hero of the MCU.
     
  7. iCarly Rae Jepsen

    run away with me Platinum

    let me rephrase that EDITH is a scary concept
    We need to talk about EDITH in 'Spider-Man: Far From Home'
    also it's hard for me that they never reckon with how Tony and Bruce Wayne's wealth and power would have real world consequences

    but I understand that the movie isn't going to say the dead guy who defeated Thanos was doing some scary shit, maybe saying he's the villain is too far but his military work definitely killed people
     
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  8. Which, many of us have argued for a long time now, is the core problem with the MCU. :shrug:
     
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  9. Nathan

    Always do the right thing. Supporter

    His tech is presented as heroic or, as in the case with Edith, inconsequential/taken for granted as “good” in this movie when there are serious moral implications that previous MCU movies (Iron Man/IM3/Age of Ultron) tried to reckon with to varying degrees of success. This movie didn’t try.
     
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  10. Marx&Recreation

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    Practically all superhero stories have pretty inherently fascist subtext since they're predicated on the idea that there are a group of people who are just inherently better than the rest of the world and could dominate it if they wished. Some try to directly grapple with it, like Alan Moore's Watchmen, but some just revel in it, like Zack Snyder's adaptation of Watchmen
     
  11. Nathan

    Always do the right thing. Supporter

    A lot of the best Superman and Spider-Man stories grapple with that well.
     
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  12. oakhurst Jul 14, 2019
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    oakhurst

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    That was the main purpose of Iron Man, which is arguably one of the best CBM. Tony realizing his military weapons do more harm than good and choosing to use his money and power for something else (ultimately leading him to create technology that saves humanity and billions of others)

    Stark did sometimes make tech with the best intentions that weren’t good ideas (Ultron for example). He would learn from his mistakes, though, which I think is a good lesson. A flawed hero that realizes his mistakes and strives to do better.
     
  13. Greg

    The Forgotten Son Supporter

    I forget whether I really did and watched it somewhere, but it was talking about Tony and what he was trying to do. It talked about his attempts to build a shield around the earth and how he failed with stuff like Ultron. But ultimately, he succeeded. He leaves behind The Avengers. They may change who is involved moving forward, but he helped bring together a group of mighty heroes who will act as the shield the earth needs . Tony has earned his final rest.
     
  14. RyanPm40

    The Torment of Existence Supporter

    Stark: I'm going to stop making weapons for people with unchecked power

    Also Stark: *Creates weapons for himself, with unchecked power*

    I realize I'm being simplistic here lol.
     
  15. Nathan

    Always do the right thing. Supporter

    Yes, all that stuff is the thematic thrust of MCU Iron Man, but EDITH existing, let alone being left to Peter Parker, let alone allowing Peter the capability to hand it over to anyone in the world on a whim, flies in the face of all that
     
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  16. oakhurst

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    That goes back to Tony always doing things with the best intentions but not fully thinking of the consequences. He probably never thought Peter would be spying on a guy who took photos of him with the Edith glasses and accidentally have drones sent to him or that Peter would easily give the glasses away to a grand illusionist. He trusted Peter and Peter goofed. Just like how he took the suit from Peter in Homecoming I guarantee he would have taken the glasses from Peter until he proved he was ready.
     
  17. Marx&Recreation

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    But the fundamental premise of there being a guy who can choose to save humanity or not is what’s the problem. Tony chooses to do good and submit to more democratic institutions, but there’s absolutely nothing that could make him do it.
     
  18. Lucas27

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    I’d also say Chronicle doesn’t grapple with this idea as much as it flips it over on its head. It puts superhuman powers into a more realistic context and the end results are terrifying. That movie is so underrated.
     
  19. oakhurst Jul 15, 2019
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    oakhurst

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    I’d argue the alien attack on avengers 1 not necessarily made him, but influenced him do a lot of what he did. Ever since that film that was the backbone of all of his reasonings for what he did. He saw a threat and to him he was the only person that could counter it and if not then it would all be on him. A hero wouldn’t be as good if they are made to do something instead of choosing to do it.
     
  20. EntryLevelTank

    "Draft Day" is a good film Supporter

    So did they ever walk back that Earth 616 thing?
     
  21. jjnunn118

    Signal Vs. Noise Prestigious

    I mean... there wasn’t a multiverse in the movie so it’s safe to assume it was just an Easter egg
     
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  22. EntryLevelTank

    "Draft Day" is a good film Supporter

    K so just Mysterio lying is all. Just making sure because they never really addressed it afterward.
     
  23. oakhurst

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    The writers said that it was a lie because Earth 616 is the comics.
     
  24. oakhurst

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  25. Sean Murphy

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    really liked this, but mysterio’s “toast” at the bar painfully explaining all that backstory was so bad, and it just felt like they kinda fumbled with the reveal that he’s actually bad, idk, still found 90% of it really enjoyable. Really really interested to see how they expand on his identity reveal from mid credits.
     
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