Spider-Man: Far From Home (Jon Watts, July 2, 2019) Movie • Page 41

Holland is already my height and I’m 27 lol If 30 year old Peter Parker needs to appear taller than 5’8” then they’ll just adjust it through many of the several film techniques. As long as Holland Spidey brings it a lot of cash I don’t see Sony or Feige pulling the brakes on it for at least 5 years.

..and as long as Tony has enemies from the past.

 

I guess I must read different Spider-Man comics to you guys thenTom Holland doesn't have the frame for Spider-Man. Even in his earliest appearances in the comics, when he was still a kid, Spidey wasn't as small as Holland:



In terms of physique, Tobey Maguire and especially Andrew Garfield were much closer to how I would imagine a live action Spidey to look.

 

Tobey and Tom Holland are the same height; Garfield's maybe got an inch and a half or two on them both.

Spidey's usually referenced height is 5' 10". Tobey and Tom are both 5' 8".

 

It's not just his height though, as I've already said multiple times now.

 

I mean, that cover is a Jack Kirby illustration that Stan Lee went with over Steve Ditko's version for marketing purposes. But, Stan picked Steve over Jack to draw the actual book specifically because he thought Jack's style was a bad fit for the character. Which, the Kirby drawings of Spider-Man (sometimes inked by Ditko) do, indeed, feel a little off.

As far as visuals go, Garfield has the Bagley build down perfectly. But, Maguire & Holland honestly look pretty similar, both in that general 60s Spidey build. Honestly, Holland probably looks more like the comics, though the Romita eyes might affect how I see the rest.




(I already said this, using this picture, but dang, think how good a lightly tweaked version of this would look w/ no pointless CGI tacked on!)

 

So, when you said he wouldn't keep growing you were referencing ... ?

 

If you go back and look at my first post on this subject, you'll see that I also mentioned his super small frame.

 

Bingo. Depending on the artist there's been different versions of how he's looked in comics. But it's silly to say Holland's body type and frame hasn't been seen in many, many Spidey books over the years.

 

So now you're pretending you didn't mention height too? Cause, you did! Both parts were wrong, I just started with the height cause it's the easiest without pulling out books.

 

In the pictures you posted, Maguire has clearly bulked up a lot more than Holland.

Also, the picture of Holland standing next to Zendaya doesn't really help your case, as he's no broader than she is and she's super tiny.

 

I'm saying it's the combination of his height and his frame that makes him look tiny on screen. Maguire and Garfield clearly bulked up more. I'm not pretending anything, you just need to read my posts properly! Here's my first post again to help you out a little:

 

And you're wrong on both points! He's not "so short," and his frame is just fine for a teenage Spidey. Thanks for the help, though.

 

Again, if you look closely at my first post on this topic, you'll see that I was saying I would have a problem with him playing an older version of the character, and I was wondering if Marvel would recast the role if they get to that stage with these movies. I have no problem with him playing a teenage Spidey - although in my opinion he's still too small even for that, but I can get over it. For the record, I think you're completely wrong too, so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

this thread is a rollercoaster lol

 

Unless Sony's relationship with Marvel Studios ends, I think we're gonna be with Tom Holland for a long time.

Which, actor wise, I'm cool with, but writing wise, really bums me out.

I think Tom's biggest hurdle at playing college Peter isn't his frame, but rather his characterization. Like, the stuff those Gail Simone tweets got at. If I look at a Lee/Romita comic, or Spider-Man: Blue's adaptation of that era, or Roger Stern's era, I don't see the puppy persona that Tom uses for this character, "Mr. Stark" & all.

Which, as much as the idea of revealing his identity sucks, if they can find a way to recenter things, that whole experience might help evolve the character? If we're believing that's something Marvel would do, lol. Plus, earnest enthusiasm seems to also be Tom's natural personality, & if anything, Marvel actors have only evolved closer to their actors (see: Thor).

 

Keep Holland, get new writers/directors IMO.

 

ditch the mcu and only focus on the spider-verse and miles tbh

 

I like that we get 2 different types of Spider-Man films. I would like to see Tom’s SM have a cameo in a spider-verse film.

 

Yeah it's hard for me to say if I like Garfield as an actor more, or if it's just that I like the character he played more. Holland is great, the writing isn't.

A little bummed this movie is so well-received because it makes me think we'll never get a proper Spider-Man movie that really understands the character.

 

Garfield was a better actor and better Spider-Man. I don't think there's even a comparison personally.

 

I don't know if I have an opinion of Garfield, those movies are real bad though

 

I like Holland more but only lay 25% of the blame at Garfield. There are angles to the performance that I think Garfield could have done better but I found the movies largely didn’t do him much help. He’s a great actor and could have been a great Spider-Man. Holland is carrying movies that are also flawed but I’m enjoying his take more.

 

You know what's funny?

When I saw Into the Spider-Verse & how flawlessly it captured (pardon the lame nerd speak) *my* Spider-Man, I really thought I'd have more appreciation for the MCU's take as an alternative universe. Not the Spider-Man, but a Spider-Man w/ his own strengths & weaknesses. I left that film more excited for Far From Home, not less.

Instead of helping me like the MCU's Spidey more... Spider-Verse has made me like Sam Raimi's Spidey more. Particularly Spider-Man 2. While Homecoming is mostly boring to me.

I'll still always wonder what the Sony that made Spider-Verse & Venom, & was eying Drew Goddard for Sinister Six, would've done in the post-ASM2 world w/out Marvel Studios. I know some really dumb comments & ideas were revealed via the email leak, but who knows what bad ideas Marvel Studios didn't let leave their conference rooms? The same exact anything goes environment that allegedly considered an Aunt May film, & talked about cross fit or whatever, is where Spider-Verse was born. I think we missed out on some special ideas.

 

And, yeah, divorced from the quality of their individual films, Andrew Garfield is hands down both the best Peter Parker & the best Spider-Man in live action to date, as far as I'm concerned.

 

I think the main parts I disliked about his character in the ASM movies were how Peter just straight up let's a mugger go when he realizes it wasn't his uncle's killer. He didn't really learn his lesson there that if he doesn't stop a criminal, bad things happen. But he learned it later on which was fine. And obviously him immediately breaking Captain Stacey's promise. Otherwise, nothing truly awful stands out to me in the characterization of Peter/Spider-Man in those films. He wasn't perfect, but still did a pretty good job.