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That’s how he will pay for rent in Spider-Man 4

 

I remember at least the top half showing up in my Twitter feed the other month. Remember laughing that Venom is allowed to make Peter a drug dealer, but not allowed to make him kiss a boy. Truly awful.

The bottom list of Peter traits is funny because it says “he gains his powers while attending either middle school or college,” but he very specifically traditionally gets bit as a 15-yr-old in high school.

 

Trying to decide if I want to blow a bunch of money on the Ultimate Spider-Man omnibus when I've already read through them all twice digitally. Easily my favorite comic series, but... Pretty expensive. I've never invested in something like this before lol

 

Looks like all three cover options are 50% off at InStockTrades.com, so if you wanna do it, now’s the time.

$62.50 for 39½ issues isn’t bad at all; it actually averages out to roughly $1.50 per issue. (And, purchases over fifty bucks on that site have free shipping.)

I personally really like omnis, though I have to be smart when getting them ‘cause I don’t make a ton of money, lol. But, for certain favorite things (particularly Spider-Man and X-Men), those thick volumes look nice on a shelf.

 

Oh wow yeah that's a way better deal than what I was seeing on Amazon! The more I thought about it though, I realized I've been wanting to read other stuff like ASM, Moon Knight and Daredevil and am now leaning towards a Kindle (because screw reading comics on a tiny phone screen) and using Marvel Unlimited. It's a hard choice though because I do like the feel of a physical book

 

My approach has been to shift a fair amount of my comics reading to my Kindle. I prefer the physical book too, but cost-wise it’s so much more efficient, and the quality is actually quite nice as well. And then if I’ve read something and know I want to actually own it, I can go ahead and purchase a nice hard copy. I also go physical for things where the artwork really pops (Monstress, Gideon Falls, that sort of thing) because it does make a difference there.

One huge recommendation is to rely on your local library system if you have a good one. I’ve been able to find physical copies to check out of 90% of what I want to read via the library, which is free and physical, so best of both.

 

This is a great recommendation, I haven't been to a library in years and have no good excuse!

 

Let’s get this made in spite of Morbius being a flop. But, let’s get someone to do a rewrite? I believe the most recent script was from the Morbius writers, lol.

 

I’m sorry, who and who?

 

I've never heard of this character before now. He doesn't even have a Wikipedia mention.

And based on this page here, he may only exist in two issues of the comic from 2006.

Juan-Carlos Sanchez (Earth-616) | Marvel Database | Fandom

Like... what?

 

It’s also a weird choice they’re getting a naughty bunny rabbit to play a human character. I guess they just feel like taking big swings.

 

As someone who’s genuinely excited for Kraven and intrigued by Madame Web…

I’m blown away by the absolute insanity of seeing the name “El Muerto” on their list of characters they have the rights to and going, “sure, let’s do that.” Like, what the fuck? I’m honestly kind of impressed, lol.

So many characters they’re sitting on that they could be doing first. But, hey, fuck it, why not, will probably be better than Morbius.

 

I’d be impressed if their live action had a better track record. As is, it just comes across like they have absolutely no plan or idea on how to handle their live action Spidey material and they’re just doing the most random shit to attempt to do it. The Morbius mid credits scenes reek of having no vision or real plan for this universe.

 

Honestly? Fuck “plans.”

The only plans I care about are my plans to see movies that look like fun.

 

I mean, if their lack of plans gave us a great movie I would go with the flow. A plan isn’t necessary, to be honest. Breaking Bad was written as it went and is one of my all time favorite shows. But then you have the Star Wars sequel trilogy that built to the worst Star Wars film that’s just an abomination to the saga. And then there’s How I Met Your Mother that planned an ending that the show grew way beyond and they said, “fuck it, we’re sticking to the plan.” And that’s my least favorite series finale ever and it tainted the entire show for me.

I guess all that to say there is no one way to do this. But whatever the hell Sony is doing is just not going well.

 

I get what you’re saying. It’s a pretty popular argument. I just… completely disagree with the premise.

Sony obvious can allow good creators to make good movies in the midst of their scrambling, because that post ASM2 uncertainty is what led to the Spider-Verse franchise. And, the Venom franchise isn’t the same kind of “good” as Spider-Verse, but it’s very underrated and a ton of good fun. (And! ASM2 has more going for it than people admit, and half of its most egregious flaws would’ve been diminished or eliminated if they’d let the film be itself instead of set up for loosely defined “plans.”)

Nerds love the Marvel Studios vs Star Wars comparison, but like, Feige doesn’t have as set a plan as people pretend. I think the Russos mentioned this recently? It’s not their plan, which is organic and changes all the time, as much as it is their rigid studio machine that cranks out films within a safe, audience-tested formula.

(And, while Rise is my least favorite Star Wars thing, I love Last Jedi, which wasn’t born of “plans.” And, at the end of the day, I care about getting individual movies I can enjoy and maybe revisit now & then… more than I care about the health of corporate brands, lol.)

Does this mean I care about El Muerto? Not really. I’ll probably see it at a matinee showing if I can, and like it more than Morbius, lol. I do think it’s funny that it’s the Marvel equivalent of an Asylum film or one of those Redbox releases with Bruce Willis. But, I’m certainly not mad, and honestly kinda respect the madness.

Let there be carnage, y’all.

 

All I’m saying is that I prefer consistently good to great movies vs 1 great movie (spider verse ) and a slew of bad movies with a couple mixed in with a good lead actor that deserves better films. Minus Spiderverse, I haven’t enjoyed a Sony live action Spidey movie since TASM1. Even counting their MCU efforts, Homecoming was fine, I hate Far From Home, and No Way Home was good but even that was more because of the legacy cast than any of the MCU/Sony characters.

I don’t want them to get their shit together for the company’s benefit. I want them to get their shit together for my enjoyment’s benefit. Their live action stuff has just not been that good for like a decade now.

 

13 minutes. Ok then.

 

I like that you’re the first person I’ve seen take the “Marvel Studios is good & Sony is bad” stance, yet put the Tom Holland films on the “Sony is bad” side of the equation. Always fun encountering someone with an interesting unpopular opinion, lol.

I put Spider-Verse above every other superhero film, period, and there aren’t more than five or six MCU films I like more than the Venom film franchise, so we’re just not going to agree. I’ve also personally had my fill of mostly fine Kevin Feige films and don’t care anymore unless it’s great and/or interesting.

 

I think it’s clear that I don’t have a blanket “Sony is bad” perspective. I said Spiderverse is great and I’ll go on to say it’s easily the best Spider-Man movie of any kind. Plus saying I liked TASM1. I also love the first 2 Rami and can enjoy the 3rd. The legacy cast from those that show up in NWH is great and the best parts of that movie. There’s plenty of Sony I like, even some of their casting was great (Garfield, Stone, Hardy) but they didn’t get great films. The ones working with Marvel Studios/MCU are s mixed bag. So I wouldn’t say I’m totally “Marvel Studios is good” either. The MCU stuff in those films are the parts I like the least. Alllllll the Stark stuff being a major factor. I am very specifically a “live action Spidey films have been awful to mediocre for a decade” guy. The franchise deserves better. The Venom films were fine, Hardy is fantastic, but not anything I really feel like revisiting. Morbius was so boring and uninspired and those god awful mid credits scenes just scream of having no clue what they’re doing. It’s depressing. But even that feels so influenced by the MCU with the plot points being so similar to Ironman down to the protagonist sends the love interest to their workplace to retrieve something where they are walked in on by the antagonist followed by a tense scene where the love interest is able to get away. Let’s not even start on Leto’s involvement. Ugh.

I don’t say all that to persuade you to change your opinions on the films. I just disagree with your broad take on my position. Maybe I wasn’t detailed enough. I just think my perspective is far more complicated than that. Unpopular? Sure. But so were a lot of prophets in the Bible. Haha totally kidding. I’m just an asshole on the internet.

 

I actually really liked Morbius.

... Oh, this isn't supposed to be the "unpopular Sony Spider-Man-related opinions that will make everyone discount your whole existence" thread? Well, too late for me, ha.

My only take is that I think Sony is poised to do some really interesting, weird, unique, and powerful things with their IPs if they can get the right people on board and let the movies be their own thing. I do think that their execution is suffering a little because the MCU is such a monolith: Sony seems to be wavering between letting the individual villain movies just focus on the villains v. trying to do an interconnected thing. Venom was fun because it was just about Venom on his own, with only an oblique nod to his role in the larger Marvel universe. Kind of like the origin-story MCU films, before the Avengers got together, when it was all just Easter Eggs. Kraven can be a really fantastic film if they've got the right people making it and they produce a Kraven-centric storyline without worrying about how it fits in context. That seems to be what the earlier MCU stuff did so well—sure, they had a framework they were working under, but as you mentioned, @Tim, their "plans" were pretty fluid and changed as they produced the films to make what they thought would work best for each individual film.

And if later, after building a solid cast of individual movies with starring villains, Sony wants to work on tying them together more overtly? Sure, that'd be cool. But I think initially the base films and characters have to be good for that to work.

Anyway, just my thoughts. I think Sony kinda gets in their own heads about what they're doing, whereas if they just set out to make good standalone films—that did new and interesting things, the way Spider-Verse did, since the MCU has already trodden a lot of standard ground—they'd be far better off.

But I'm an eternal optimist, so I'm looking forward to seeing what they'll come up with.

 

Funny aside.

This comic, is about a mountain that has holes in it that fit the exact size of individual people. They go into the holes, and are then consumed by the mountain. I love Junji Ito.

 

My favorite Ito that I've seen is the one about the trees that sense when someone is eating their sap and then send roots from the sky to smash the fuck out of them.