Solo: A Star Wars Story (Ron Howard, May 25, 2018) Movie • Page 30

Discussion in 'Entertainment Forum' started by Henry, Jun 30, 2016.

  1. Your Milkshake

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    I bet he could do his own thing but with Star Wars characters and have it be just as good as his other films on average
     
  2. Shrek

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    the Tarantino Gungan trilogy is going to be :fire:
     
  3. Your Milkshake

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    Its not even criticism. It is analyzing his work.

    The general population does not understand what Tarantino is.
     
  4. Anthony_

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    "Gungans? I thought they were called "Goongas?"
     
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  5. Nathan

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    Rian Johnson is the kind of filmmaker I like seeing on Star Wars because he's between an auteur and a competent blockbuster filmmaker. More interesting and ambitious than J.J. Abrams or Colin Treverrow, but someone who can flex those interesting and ambitious skills within a previously established universe with an established tone and focus.
     
  6. Nathan

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    My bad. I'd still disagree with that characterization when looking at the Reservoir Dogs through Basterds run. He's just as interested in exploring and pushing narrative as he is anything else.
     
  7. Your Milkshake Jan 31, 2018
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    Your Milkshake

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    The motif that holds Tarantinos filmog together is "pulp". He even named one of his films after it. Some autuers do that sort of thing to help general audiences out. To boil it down he is primarily concerned with lurid camp and trope and the cinema culture that sorrounds it. This is more self aware and tributary than you get with other American pop directors. He is so concerned with this culture that he has tapped into the vivaciacious or niche and self aware "low genre" sub-genres of westerns, blaxploitation, comic books, war propaganda, and grind house to name some. He is such a transparent director when it comes to the idea of what his work is. Yet he still tends to be comically misunderstood by general audiences. To him the idea of what his work is and pays tributary to is just as important as the work itself. Some of his audience thinks Inglorious Basterds is a straight faced film and that is comical. I bet he reads that TV tropes website 2 hours a day.

    Star Wars is low genre and amazing and it has created sci fi tropes


    Tarantino likes to exploit low genre and trope
     
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  8. Anthony_

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    He's definitely a lot like Lucas (Star Wars) and early Spielberg (Indiana Jones), in this way.
     
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  9. Nathan

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    Yeah. My initial dispute was your arguing he places it over narrative. I disagree.
     
  10. Your Milkshake Jan 31, 2018
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    Your Milkshake

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    Narrative merely does not take precedence over his works' defining motif and furthermore it is even steeped in the ideology. It matters no more than of whatever genre he is exploiting. Again, it is not the primary focus by comparison nor does he approach it that way.
     
  11. This is literally the definition of what happens in Baby Driver.
     
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  12. Nathan

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    I just don't agree at all. The trope is the surface, it's what we see, so it's easily identifiable, yeah. But the way he crafts narrative, particularly in his defining film, Pulp Fiction, is just as much a part of his identity and body of work. It's weight is equal to the setting, genre, and style he embraces. Tarantino wouldn't be Tarantino without the characters, plots, and thematics he explores, those are just as apparent and uniquely his as his stylistic tropes.
     
  13. Shrek

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    for sure, it's loaded with cool design choices and background visuals i'm sure i didn't catch. the difference for me is that those background details in Star Wars touch on characters and side stories that i'm already in love with and want more of, or expand on the world the movie takes place in.

    i think there's a lot that film lovers with more of a knowledge of the medium would appreciate in Baby Driver. i'm not that guy, though. i'm a very casual moviegoer that only has started to expand my scope over the last year or two, and i like Star Wars lol
     
  14. Your Milkshake

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    The characters and plots are tropes. From whatever sub-genre he happens to be exploiting for the film. Its as simple as that.
     
  15. Shrek

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    also, please note, i do not think TFA/TLJ are better movies than Baby Driver. i just like them more.
     
  16. Nathan

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    well, no, because characters and plot also make up a story, or narrative. it's almost like both aspects are intertwined and integral to the identity of Quentin Tarantino's work.
     
  17. Your Milkshake Jan 31, 2018
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    Your Milkshake

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    At least you understand his work better than most.

    Narrative is secondary.

    What meaningful thing do his narratives explore beyond the tropes that are commonplace in the sub genre?

    The artistry is in the tribute. It is an exercise in reveling in the joy of vapid storytelling tropes and cultural iconography. Sorta like Andy Warhol.
     
  18. aoftbsten

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    Baby Driver is one of the most rewatchable movies to come out in the last few years. I've seen it about four times and it's gotten better with each viewing.

    A Tarantino or a Paul Thomas Anderson directed Star Wars movie would be cool. There's a 0.00000001% chance it would ever happen. But it's still a fun discussion and interesting to think how their styles would fit in this universe. A Tarantino bounty hunter film would be spectacular. A PTA style film watching a character slowly descend to the dark side would be a fascinating movie.
     
  19. Your Milkshake

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    that Tarantino is set to direct a Star Trek flys in the face of whatever that argument was

    no one was even talking about PTA
     
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  20. aoftbsten

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    PTA was 100% brought up in the last few pages.
     
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  21. Your Milkshake

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    well yeah thats ridiculous
     
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  22. aoftbsten

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    Like I said, it would never happen, but that doesn't mean it can't make for fun and interesting discussion.
     
  23. aoftbsten

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    I'm hoping after this "Phase One" of the rebooted Star Wars, they really begin to move past nostalgia driven films. The Last Jedi was a good start in the right direction, but all of these new films have leaned heavily on the ideas and style of the OT. Understandably so though.

    I would hope Kathleen Kennedy is thinking about how directors with a distinct style, specifically ones far out there from the Star Wars style for next phase. Even if it's nothing but a thought exercise. It'll be important in keeping this universe fresh and relevant.
     
  24. aoftbsten

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    Also, as far as the trailer thing goes, I'd be shocked if the original plan wasn't to have the first trailer released last summer and then a 2nd around this time so it didn't have too much overlap with TLJ. But then Lord & Miller were fired and they didn't want that footage in the first trailer so they just regrouped to have the 1st trailer when the 2nd trailer was originally supposed to arrive. I really think it's as simple as that.
     
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